Why are so many young leaders burning out, exhausted, and frankly, a little miserable? In this episode, Grant sits down with pastor, mentor, and author Ray Ortlund to uncover why next-gen Christians so easily fall into the trap of a grim, transactional "pay-as-you-go" faith. Ray breaks down why living with gusto and having a saintly blast isn't a compromise on holiness, but biblical wisdom from Ecclesiastes designed for longevity and resilience. If you've been slogging through ministry under the heavy weight of performance, this conversation is the perspective shift you need to find true rest in the finished work of Christ. In this episode, they talk about:

• Breaking free from the grim moralistic trap that makes some Christians miserable.
• Why Jesus' call to "Come to me and rest" is a radical, punk-rock declaration.
• Handling over-scheduling and learning when to say no to protect your family and health.
• What it means to budget for sin when you are physically and spiritually depleted.
• Ray's personal life goals for maintaining deep, 50-year friendships.
• Letting go of your own self-importance and letting God make your life count.

👉 Get Ray's Book, Eat Drink and Be Merry: https://www.crossway.org/books/eat-drink-and-be-merry-tpb/

👉 Check out Renewal Ministries: https://renewalministries.com/ 👉 Follow Ray on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rayortlund/

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