In this episode, we hear from Vanessa and Gemma, two women working with Pause, about their experience of contact with their children and why the system of contact in the UK needs to change for the better. We are also joined by Lisa Harker, Director of the Nuffield Family Justice Observatory talking about what we already know needs to change and what we can learn about relationships with children from the COVID-19 experience.

*Trigger warning* podcast episodes discuss issues which may cause distress to some.

Joined by Vanessa and Gemma, women working with Pause and Lisa Director of the Nuffield Family Justice Observatory. Follow @NuffieldFJO / @lisa_harker.
Hosted by Clare Laxton. Follow @ladylaxton.
Produced by Louis Vine
Music by Ben Jacob
Editing by Will Jacob

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