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Will Saletan compiled a comprehensive timeline of "what Trump knew and when he knew it" about the coronavirus pandemic. He says the chronology proves that Trump is responsible for many deaths. Brian Stelter asks Saletan about his conclusions. Plus: What do Bob Woodward's taped interviews with Trump add to the timeline? Saletan says Trump exposed one of the news media's vulnerabilities: "We're not really prepared as a press corps for an authoritarian. We're not prepared for someone who just lies... And it turns out that we're not as effective as we would like to believe we are at stopping politicians from lying if they're willing to simply ignore us."

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Will Saletan compiled a comprehensive timeline of "what Trump knew and when he knew it" about the coronavirus pandemic. He says the chronology proves that Trump is responsible for many deaths. Brian Stelter asks Saletan about his conclusions. Plus: What do Bob Woodward's taped interviews with Trump add to the timeline? Saletan says Trump exposed one of the news media's vulnerabilities: "We're not really prepared as a press corps for an authoritarian. We're not prepared for someone who just lies... And it turns out that we're not as effective as we would like to believe we are at stopping politicians from lying if they're willing to simply ignore us."

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Plus... This is why political campaigns feel free to lie in TV ads; a Facebook exec explains the company's US election actions; what's next for Stars and Stripes? Jeffrey Goldberg, S.V. Date, SE Cupp, Nick Clegg, Nicole Hemmer, Carl Bernstein and Ernie Gates join Brian Stelter.

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Plus... This is why political campaigns feel free to lie in TV ads; a Facebook exec explains the company's US election actions; what's next for Stars and Stripes? Jeffrey Goldberg, S.V. Date, SE Cupp, Nick Clegg, Nicole Hemmer, Carl Bernstein and Ernie Gates join Brian Stelter.

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Daniel Thompson talks about his decision to resign from The Kenosha News in protest of a "grossly negligent and inappropriate" headline on a story about a rally in support of Jacob Blake. He says "I don't think the old ways of covering things, particularly protests, works anymore." He also tells Brian Stelter about his plan to work as an independent journalist and eventually "develop a network" of local news outlets.

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Daniel Thompson talks about his decision to resign from The Kenosha News in protest of a "grossly negligent and inappropriate" headline on a story about a rally in support of Jacob Blake. He says "I don't think the old ways of covering things, particularly protests, works anymore." He also tells Brian Stelter about his plan to work as an independent journalist and eventually "develop a network" of local news outlets.

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Plus... Kevin Roose on how algorithms are distorting American politics; Daniel Dale on his fast-paced fact-checking; Carolyn DeWitt on voter groups suing Trump over his social media executive order. Susan Glasser, Kevin Roose, Ayesha Rascoe, Jason Stanley, Daniel Dale, Radhika Jones and Carolyn DeWitt join Brian Stelter.

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Plus... Kevin Roose on how algorithms are distorting American politics; Daniel Dale on his fast-paced fact-checking; Carolyn DeWitt on voter groups suing Trump over his social media executive order. Susan Glasser, Kevin Roose, Ayesha Rascoe, Jason Stanley, Daniel Dale, Radhika Jones and Carolyn DeWitt join Brian Stelter.

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Host Brian Stelter becomes the guest as CNN senior media reporter Oliver Darcy asks him about his new book "Hoax: Donald Trump, Fox News, and the Dangerous Distortion of Truth." Stelter discusses his reasons for writing the book; how he convinced sources to cooperate; the "lie-laundering" trends he identified; and the potential for change at Fox News in the future. Stelter and Darcy debate the divide between Fox's news and opinion departments, the influence of the Murdoch family, and more.

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Host Brian Stelter becomes the guest as CNN senior media reporter Oliver Darcy asks him about his new book "Hoax: Donald Trump, Fox News, and the Dangerous Distortion of Truth." Stelter discusses his reasons for writing the book; how he convinced sources to cooperate; the "lie-laundering" trends he identified; and the potential for change at Fox News in the future. Stelter and Darcy debate the divide between Fox's news and opinion departments, the influence of the Murdoch family, and more.

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