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John Barry, author of "The Great Influenza," reflects on what can be learned from history, now that his 2004 book has been thrust back onto best-seller lists. "Fortunately this virus is not nearly as virulent, as deadly as the 1918 virus, so we're not in that situation," he says. "But the trivialization of it for the first several months by the administration, the politicization of the mask issue -- it's costing lives. There is no question." Barry says the communications problem is paramount: "It all depends on convincing people to comply with the recommendations." He also discusses his recent New York Times op-ed and the influence of right-wing media.
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Plus... Keeping up with the 'firehose' of news about Covid-19; What Mary Trump's tell-all says about Trump's psyche; Margaret Sullivan's new book offers six partial solutions to the crisis in local news. Oliver Darcy, Nicole Hemmer, Helen Branswell, Jonathan Karl, Tony Schwartz and Margaret Sullivan join Brian Stelter.
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Disinformation expert Nina Jankowicz talks with Brian Stelter about her new book, "How to Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News, and the Future of Conflict." Recounting her travels throughout Ukraine and her briefings for lawmakers on Capitol Hill, Jankowicz describes the disturbing impacts of both domestic and foreign information operations. She says the U.S. is "abdicating leadership" and warns about a potential "fact-free version of Democracy-lite" in the future. She also proposes a "disinformation museum," where users can see content that has since been removed from the internet.
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Plus... Dr. Anthony Fauci's disappearances from national TV shows; Dr. Seema Yasmin on the press as the 'immune system of a democracy;' behind the 'Tucker Carlson 2024' chatter. Mindy Marques Gonzalez, Kathy Tulumello, Steve Riley, Dr. Seema Yasmin, Douglas Brinkley, Ted Boutrous and Alex Thompson join Brian Stelter.
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The Atlantic's James Fallows talks with Brian Stelter about his recent article that imagines a National Transportation Safety Board probe into the U.S. pandemic response. Fallows shares his reporting about critical leadership failures that occurred in January and February. Stelter points out that the president's missteps line up with a timeline of Fox News coverage. Fallows says Fox is an "outside distorting pressure which has changed everything about decisions inside the administration, and how they think their part of the public base will respond."
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