What does it truly mean to live out your Catholic faith in everyday life? In this compelling conversation, Peter Andrastek, Senior Consultant at The Evangelical Catholic, challenges the common misconception that holiness means becoming more like a priest, nun, or monk. Instead, he reveals how ordinary Catholics are called to extraordinary holiness right where they are—in their workplaces, families, and communities.

Discover why most parishes aren't equipped to form laypeople for their unique vocation, how the distinction between "ministry" and "apostolate" changes everything, and what practical steps you can take today to become salt, light, and leaven in your corner of the world. This bonus episode offers a refreshing vision of Catholic life that goes far beyond Sunday Mass attendance.

Understanding Ministry vs. Apostolate (02:40)

What Sanctifying the World Actually Looks Like (09:00)

The Skills vs. Holiness Debate (16:00)

The Seminary Challenge (20:00)

Pastoral Principles That Work (24:00)

A Practical Starting Point (28:30)

The Real Models of Holiness (33:00)

The Airline Pilot's Apostolate (43:00)

Something's Got to Give (37:00)

Peter Andrastek is the Senior Consultant at the Evangelical Catholic, a private nonprofit based in Madison, Wisconsin, that forms and equips Catholics to live out the Great Commission. Since joining EC, Peter has specialized in experimental initiatives, including seminary formation, workshops for priests, and developing curriculum for lay apostolate. He's been married for 20 years and has eight children ranging from a college sophomore to a four-year-old.

Connect with the Evangelical Catholic and learn more about their formation programs at

https://evangelicalcatholic.org

On the Lay Vocation:

"The life of an ordinary Christian is materially just the life of an ordinary person, but transformed from the inside by divine love... somehow mysteriously, without anything being different, somehow mysteriously everything is different." (09:30)

On Evangelization:

"If we reduce evangelization to something you can just train someone for, just a set of skills or a technique for saying something, we reduce evangelization to the manipulation of human techniques." (16:45)

On Starting Small:

"If you're distracted by all the things and all the people who are in your circle of concern, but not in your circle of influence, you are not going to be effective. Instead, you have to focus on a few, just like Jesus on a mustard seed." (25:30)

On Holiness and Apostolate:

"At the end of the day, holiness and apostolate are the same reality. You know, we distinguish them conceptually, but at the end of the day... when I am trying to be more cheerful at home as an act of love for my wife and kids, am I growing in holiness or am I being more apostolic with them? Why would there be a difference?" (47:00)

Fr. John's Perspective:

"My heroes are not priests, nuns, and monks. My models of holiness actually are the people who are raising the eight kids and who are juggling so many different responsibilities and living tremendous lives of sacrifice." (33:15)

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What if the struggle in your spiritual life isn't a sign of failure, but proof that your relationship with God matters deeply? In this intimate conversation, spiritual director Mary Glowaski reveals how spiritual direction creates sacred space for encountering God's love in unexpected ways, especially in our deepest struggles and shame.

Mary shares her unexpected call to spiritual direction, the profound difference between counseling and spiritual companionship, and why being harsh with ourselves blocks us from experiencing God's unconditional love. If you've ever wondered what spiritual direction actually is, how to find a director, or whether it's right for you, this episode offers compassionate wisdom from someone who has walked with countless souls through their most sacred stories.

Discover why spiritual direction isn't about getting answers; it's about learning to see yourself and others through God's eyes of infinite compassion.

[00:00] Introduction and welcome

[00:36] Mary's background: From social work to spiritual direction

[02:00] What is spiritual direction?

[05:00] The focus on relationship with God, not human guidance

[06:00] Common misconceptions about spiritual direction

[08:00] Suspending what we think we know

[09:00] The gentle stance of spiritual direction

[10:43] The struggle with self-love and feeling lovable

[12:00] Spiritual direction vs. counseling vs. mentoring

[14:00] How spiritual direction changes the director

[16:00] The unique interior access of spiritual direction

[18:00] Humility as foundational for spiritual directors

[20:00] Stories of growth and transformation

[24:00] What a typical session looks like

[27:00] Meeting with other spiritual directors

[29:00] How to find a spiritual director

[31:45] Does a spiritual director need to be clergy?

[33:45] What Mary wishes people knew

[35:00] Practices that support spiritual direction

[36:45] The connective tissue: Awareness of mystery

[38:00] Being present vs. letting ego take over

[40:00] Christ's easy yoke vs. spiritual struggle

[42:00] Universal human struggles

[44:00] True empathy: "I could be there"

[45:00] Self-compassion and taking responsibility

[47:00] Looking for witnesses

Mary Glowaski is a spiritual director, pastoral counselor, and former social worker who spent 20 years working in victim assistance, pastoral care, mediation, and crisis intervention for the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend. After receiving her master's in pastoral theology and completing three years of Ignatian formation, Mary has dedicated her life to creating sacred space where people can encounter God's love and gentleness. A mother of two sons, mother-in-law to two daughters-in-law, and grandmother to three, Mary brings deep wisdom, humility, and compassion to her ministry of spiritual companionship.

"Spiritual direction is really about looking at the whole... These moments in someone's lives, even the things that we struggle with, there's sacredness there."

"Too often, I find people that it's not that they don't feel loved, they don't see themselves as lovable."

"Before someone comes to me, I pray, get me out of the way. Really, who cares what I think? It doesn't matter."

"We spend so much time anthropomorphizing God, making God into us instead of making me an image, a reflection of God's image."

"When a relationship with God is a struggle, I say thank you, because that says to me that it's of value."

"Given the right circumstances, I'm certainly capable of doing the same thing. And so that just really relieves me of like, I don't need to judge it because I could be there."

"We can take a deep breath and begin again."

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In this bonus episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Father John Gribowich sit down with Friar Rick Riccioli, a Franciscan Friar Conventual and parish pastor in Brooklyn, for a wide-ranging and deeply honest conversation about what evangelization looks like in the real world today.

With over four decades of religious life and pastoral ministry across Canada and the United States, Friar Rick reflects on the tension between radical welcome and Gospel truth, the difference between accompanying people and trying to control their faith journey, and how parishes can become places of genuine belonging without losing their Catholic identity.

From Alpha and Divine Renovation to funerals, young adults, parish leadership, and the quiet heartbreak of parents whose children have left the Church, this episode offers practical wisdom, lived experience, and Franciscan humility for anyone who cares about the future of parish life.

[00:00] Introduction & Friar Rick's Background

[03:00] Francis Corps: Faith Formation Through Service

[06:00] Bridging the Gap: Social Justice vs. Church Connection

[11:00] Creative Outreach: The 11:11 Service

[13:00] The Art of Accompaniment

[20:00] Copyright & Church Teaching: Holding Truth with Humility

[22:00] Leading Parishes Through Cultural Change

[31:00] The Power of Funerals in Evangelization

[42:00] Reimagining Church Buildings & Sacred Space

[46:00] The Wedding Dilemma: Rules vs. Relationship

[55:00] The Young Adult Paradox

[01:00:00] What Is Community, Really?

[01:08:00] The Uncomfortable Path to Vocation

[01:11:00] Final Thoughts

Friar Rick Riccioli is a Franciscan Friar Conventual and parish pastor in Brooklyn with over four decades of religious life and pastoral ministry across Canada and the United States.

“Everyone is welcome—but not everyone’s next step is the same.”

“Evangelization happens at the speed of relationship.”

“You can’t drag people into holiness. You have to walk with them.”

“The Church’s greatest moments of evangelization often happen at funerals.”

Learn more about our work: Religion to Reality is an initiative of DeSales Media, dedicated to helping people bridge the gap between religious practice and lived spiritual reality.

What does authentic prayer look like in the digital age? Monica Martinez, Parish Lead at Hallow, shares her powerful journey from a teenager who stopped going to Mass to becoming a passionate advocate for healing through faith. In this deeply personal conversation, Monica discusses how prayer evolved from a childhood habit into a transformative relationship, why apps like Hallow are helping people discover faith safely, and how the modern Church can create genuine spaces for encounter. Whether you're exploring prayer for the first time or seeking to deepen your spiritual life, this episode offers practical wisdom on listening, silence, and meeting God in the everyday moments.

Monica's Journey to Healing

Prayer Apps and Digital Spirituality

The Evolution of Prayer

Listening in Prayer

Prayer Styles and Traditions

Modern Evangelization

Monica Martinez serves as Parish Lead at Hallow, the #1 Catholic prayer app, where she partners with parishes across the country to deepen prayer lives. Previously, she worked as Associate Director for Alpha in the Catholic context and served in diocesan ministry. Monica's work is driven by her personal experience of healing through faith, particularly her journey through family struggles with divorce and alcoholism. She travels nationally leading missions focused on prayer, evangelization, and creating spaces for authentic conversation about faith.

On Prayer and Relationship:

"Prayer is not so much something I'm doing, it's something I'm allowing to be done to me. When I'm tired, it's not that I'm too tired to pray—I need you, Lord, to help me rest." — Monica Martinez (23:00)

On Digital Tools:

"You don't need an app to pray, but you also don't need a trainer to get fit. But it really does help to learn the right form and not hurt yourself." —Monica Martinez (7:00)

On Healing:

"When you encounter that relationship, when you encounter healing, there's nothing left for you to do but help other people encounter the same." —Monica Martinez (2:00)

On Silence:

"Silence isn't about trying to get absolute quiet. It's about being attentive to the sounds you're missing—in your heart, mind, and spirit." —Father John Gribowich (29:00)

On the Eucharist:

"It's one thing to read about an amazing friend. It's another thing to encounter them—see how funny they are, how wonderful. That's what people long for with the Eucharist." —Monica Martinez (45:00)

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In this bonus episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Father John Gribowich sit down with Catholic educator and mindfulness teacher, Kathy Lorentz, to explore how prayer is far more than just words. It's about cultivating awareness of God's presence throughout every moment of our lives.

Kathy shares her journey from playing the Blessed Mother in a touring play at age 16 to becoming a theology teacher who works with students from preschool through adulthood. Her approach to prayer challenges traditional notions, revealing how attention, gratitude, and presence can transform mundane moments into sacred encounters.

Listen now to discover how you can develop a deeper prayer life without adding more to your to-do list.

The Nature of Prayer and Attention (03:00-09:00)

Navigating the Digital Age Mindfully (09:00-12:00)

Prayer Practices for Everyday Life (12:00-19:00)

The Importance of Intentional Prayer Time (20:00-23:00)

Praying for Others (23:00-26:00)

Misconceptions About Prayer (26:00-29:00)

Cultivating Awe and Wonder (29:00-34:00)

The Power of the Rosary (35:00-37:00)

Generational Changes and COVID's Impact (37:00-41:00)

The Practice of Listening (41:00-42:00)

Kathy Lorentz is a Catholic educator with extensive experience teaching from preschool through adult education. She currently teaches theology at a Catholic high school, where she also serves as a counselor specializing in mindfulness and contemplative practices.

Kathy's faith journey began at age 16 when she was invited to play the Blessed Mother in a touring production across California and Nevada, an experience that deeply shaped her devotion to Mary. Kathy also has a background in marriage and family counseling, compassion work, and inter-religious dialogue.

As a mother of five adult sons, Kathy teaches a class called "Mindfulness in the Contemplative Tradition" and has taught "Prayer and Spirituality" to thousands of high school students over 15 years. She works with Sunday to Sunday and is passionate about helping people discover prayer as an integrated way of being rather than just an activity.

"Let us remember that we are in the holy presence of God—for me, that is everything. It's not as if words need to be said, it's more a sense of being, of being aware of the presence that we exist in." — Kathy Lorentz

"Attention taken to its highest degree is the same thing as prayer." — Simone Weil (quoted by Kathy)

"Attention is a muscle, and the more we practice—with prayer, beginning with taking a deep breath and just taking time to focus on the fact that you are breathing—is a way of practicing to increase your muscle of attention." — Kathy Lorentz

"I believe that what we began with—remembering that we are in the holy presence of God—the awareness of the presence of God will help us know that we are not alone." — Kathy Lorentz

"One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery each day. Never lose a holy curiosity. Don't stop to marvel." — Albert Einstein

"Even if all you said was thank you, that would be prayer enough." — Meister Eckhart

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What does it really mean to live an integrated faith life? In this powerful bonus episode, Father John Gribowich sits down with Cindy Black, a 26-year veteran of Catholic ministry, for an intimate conversation about discovering God in unexpected places and people.

Cindy shares her compelling journey from a "porta crib Catholic" who rarely attended Mass to becoming a passionate minister serving in youth ministry, diocesan leadership, Catholic radio, and parish evangelization. But this isn't just another conversion story, it's a profound exploration of how God shows up in bar conversations with atheists, friendships with those the church has wounded, and the sacred space of simply listening without agenda.

Through raw honesty and vulnerability, Cindy and Father John tackle the messy realities of ministry today moving beyond "winning arguments" to genuine encounter, and recognizing that every person, regardless of their beliefs or lifestyle, reveals something about the mystery of God's love.

If you've ever felt that your strongest encounters with God happened outside traditional church settings, or if you're wrestling with how to authentically love people the church has marginalized, this conversation will resonate deeply.

Finding Faith Through Witness (0:00 - 7:00)

From Relational Ministry to Radical Love (7:00 - 14:00)

God in the Margins (14:00 - 22:00)

Accompaniment Over Conversion (22:00 - 31:00)

Formation as Transformation (31:00 - 40:00)

The Art of Accompaniment (40:00 - 52:00)

Cindy Black has served in Catholic ministry for 26 years across multiple roles including youth ministry director, diocesan director of youth and young adult ministry (9 years), Catholic radio station team member (8 years), and currently serves in the Office of Evangelization at her home parish in Indiana. She specializes in accompanying those becoming Catholic and teaches Theology of the Body. Cindy is known for her radical openness to encountering God in unexpected people and places, and her commitment to witnessing God's love without judgment or agenda.

Memorable Quotes

"The truth isn't a set of moral ideals. The truth is a person whose identity is love." - Cindy Black

"If every relationship and every encounter I want what's best for the person in front of me that's made in the image and likeness of God, whether they believe it or not, or believe in God or not... the world would be transformed." - Cindy Black

"God is either everything, Christ is either everything or he is nothing." - Father John

"My job in ministry is to be witnesses... and to not be an obstacle to get in the way of what the Lord wants to do in somebody." - Cindy Black

"The most prophetic way to live the Christian life in the context we're living in today is to radically listen without agenda when we encounter people." - Father John

"We've forgotten that we belong to each other." - Mother Teresa (quoted by Cindy)

"Modern man listens more to witnesses than teachers. And if we listen to teachers, it's because they're first witnesses." - Pope Paul VI (quoted by Cindy)

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Learn More About the Discipleship Study: Religion to Reality is built on comprehensive research into how Catholics are living their faith today. Visit our website for more details and resources from the study.

This is a simple trailer to let you know that next up for Religion to Reality is a series of bonus episodes. Every other week, we'll release the full conversation we had with one of our guests from Season One. 

Have a listen to this teaser to hear a quick montage of our favorite topic revealed to us throughout the season.

See you for Season Two in 2026!

In this powerful season finale of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich reflect on their journey through over two dozen interviews, distilling the most transformative lessons about living an integrated spiritual life. They explore why listening, not activism, may be the most prophetic witness the Church can offer today, challenge traditional clericalism from surprising angles, and discover that belonging must come before belief. Through conversations with Stephen White, Fr. Thomas Gaunt, and Paul Fahey, this episode reveals how authentic relationships, radical listening, and the sacramental worldview can transform both individual lives and Church communities.

The Art of Radical Listening (4:00)

Discipleship vs. Activism (6:30)

Clericalism from the Bottom Up (8:00)

The Fluidity of Roles (12:00)

Research as Sacred Listening (20:00)

The Indelible Mark of Baptism (25:00)

Belonging Before Belief (33:00)

Seven Themes That Emerged This Season (38:00)

Stephen White - Executive Director of the Catholic Project at Catholic University of America. Steven brings critical insights on clericalism, the professionalization of discipleship, and lay responsibility in Church renewal.

Fr. Thomas Gaunt, SJ - Executive Director of the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University. With over 40 years as a Jesuit priest, Fr. Tom shares how agenda-free research reveals unexpected truths about Catholic belonging.

Paul Fahey - Limited Licensed Professional Counselor, retreat leader, and catechist. Paul introduces the revolutionary idea that belonging must precede belief and explains how person-centered counseling aligns perfectly with Catholic anthropology.

"If I make right belief or right behavior the litmus test for belonging, I've undermined the gospel." - Paul Fahey

"It's very hard these days to tell the difference between discipleship and activism." - Stephen White

"Listening is everything. I think it may sound frustrating for some people because it's like, well if you just listen, then no one ever does anything. But listening is part of paying attention—waiting for God to reveal something greater than if you were just jumping in trying to fix something." - Father John Gribowich

"These are not people disengaged from their faith. These may be people disengaged from Sunday mass, but that's not disengaged from their faith." - Fr. Thomas Gaunt

"There are some effective people who are preaching, who are not ordained, not necessarily because they have robust theological education, but because they've had a really profound encounter with Christ." - Fr. John Gribowich

Religion to Reality explores how Catholics can live integrated lives where faith isn't compartmentalized but permeates every aspect of existence. Based on extensive research, including over two dozen interviews with Church leaders, scholars, and practitioners, this podcast seeks to bridge the gap between religious practice and lived reality. This concludes Season 1 of Religion to Reality.

Hosts:

Special thanks to all our season guests: Kathy Lorentz, Dr. Bill Keimig, Cindy Black, Fr. Joe Gibino, Christina Semmens, Fr. James O'Shea, Monica Martinez, Fr. David Roman, Andrea Sarubbi, Renée Roden, Emily Ricci, Mary Glowaski, Josh Packard, Luisamaria Hernandez, Mike St. Pierre, and Peter Andrastek.

Learn More About the Discipleship Study: Religion to Reality is built on comprehensive research into how Catholics are living their faith today. Visit our website for more details and resources from the study.

In this insightful episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich step back from theory to examine the hard data behind Catholic discipleship and faith formation. They explore surprising findings from their comprehensive discipleship study and discuss what the numbers reveal about modern spiritual practices, evangelization comfort levels, and the changing landscape of faith in America.

Featuring interviews with three leading voices in faith research, Hans Plate (Vinea Research), Josh Packard (Future of Faith), and Fr. Joseph Gibino (Diocese of Brooklyn), this episode bridges the gap between data and pastoral practice. Discover what Gen Z really thinks about God, why 100% of people with spiritual directors found them through a spiritual community to which they already belong, and how the Synod on Synodality is reshaping the Church's approach to listening.

Key Takeaway: Data isn't just for businesses—it's essential for understanding how to meet people where they are in their faith journey and creating meaningful pathways to deeper discipleship.

[00:00:00] Opening Reflection

[00:01:00] Why Data Matters for the Church

[00:02:00] Surprising Study Findings

[00:04:00] The Omnichannel Approach to Faith

[00:06:00] Interview with Hans Plate (Vinea Research)

[00:09:00] Rethinking Evangelization

[00:13:00] The Mormon Example

[00:15:00] The Lived Gospel

[00:17:00] Interview with Josh Packard (Future of Faith)

[00:22:00] "Young People Aren't Leaving—Their Parents Already Did"

[00:25:00] A Golden Opportunity

[00:28:00] The Power of Lived Example

[00:31:00] Interview with Fr. Joe Gibino (Diocese of Brooklyn)

[00:36:00] The Synod's Impact on Parish Identity

[00:39:00] Synod vs. Discipleship Study

[00:41:00] Addressing Both Sides

[00:47:00] Trusting in God's Love

Hans Plate - Founder & President, Vinea Research. Hans partnered with Religion to Reality to conduct the discipleship study. He also runs Pensari, a healthcare research company, and brings extensive expertise in understanding highly engaged Catholics.

Josh Packard - Co-founder, Future of Faith. Formerly the Director of Spring Tide Institute for Research, Josh provides custom research for faith communities and offers crucial insights into Gen Z's relationship with faith and spirituality.

Father Joseph Gibino - Vicar of Evangelization, Diocese of Brooklyn, Pastor of St. Charles Borromeo Church. Father Joe led diocesan-level Synod on Synodality efforts and champions family-centered faith formation.

"Listen and silent share the same letters, and if we haven't silenced ourselves, then we can't listen." - Father Joe Gibino

"The most compelling gospel is the one that's lived." - Father John Gribowich

"Young people are not leaving the church. Their parents are. In many cases, their parents left the church." - Josh Packard

"We as Catholics are always directly and indirectly advertising our faith—we are human billboards." - Hans Plate (quoting Matthew Kelly)

"What could possibly happen in this whole process that's going to lead to the utter collapse of God's love? It's just impossible." - Father John Gribowich

Join us for the season finale as Dave and Fr. John tie everything together and explore how to truly live an integrated life. Don't miss this culminating conversation that brings together all the insights from Season 1!

Learn More About the Discipleship Study: Religion to Reality is built on comprehensive research into how Catholics are living their faith today. Visit our website for more details and resources from the study.

How do you find authentic Catholic community in a world that's more connected yet more isolated than ever? In this episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich explore why community keeps emerging as a central theme in faith formation, and why finding the right fit can be so challenging.

From whiskey tastings to Catholic Worker houses to digital book clubs, discover how different forms of community serve different spiritual needs. You'll hear honest conversations about parish shopping, the struggle to commit, and why sometimes the best community isn't the one with perfect liturgy or programs, it's the one where you show up consistently. Whether you're searching for your spiritual home or wondering if online connections can ever replace in-person fellowship, this episode offers practical wisdom for the journey.

Community Happens When People Need It (2:00-3:30)

Whiskey and the Word: An Unconventional Small Group (4:00-14:00) Guest: Dr. Mark Heyman, Licensed Psychologist & Small Group Leader

Living in Community: Lessons from Catholic Worker Movement (20:00-32:00) Guest: Renée Roden, Journalist & Catholic Worker Member

Digital vs. In-Person Community (37:00-52:00) Guest: Luisamaria Hernandez, DeSales Media Success Consultant

Dr. Mark Heyman Licensed psychologist and host of the Whiskey and the Word men's group at St. Bridgid Parish in San Diego. Mark brings together men for fellowship, faith discussion, and whiskey appreciation—creating a space where authentic conversation happens organically.

Renée Roden Journalist, author, and Catholic Worker community member who writes about faith, culture, and the challenges of living radical hospitality. Featured previously on R2R Episode 7 discussing the expressive fruits.

Luisamaria Hernandez Success and Solutions Consultant at DeSales Media with extensive experience in Catholic young adult ministry, including five years co-leading the young professional women's group at Harvard Catholic Center.

"It's so hard to convert your own heart over and over and over again. And if you're not in a healthy community that supports you in that journey and is full of people committed to that together, it's going to go south so quickly." — Renée Roden

"Every group can't be all things to all people." — Fr. John Gribowich

"If you have that consistency, you're going to naturally be more committed. And I mean, structure would lead to clarity." — Luisamaria Hernandez

"We are just relational beings, right? That's just what we are. That's exactly how we are able to come to discover who we are." — Fr. John Gribowich

[00:00] Introduction: Why community keeps coming up in discipleship conversations
[02:00] Fr. John on discovering yourself through community encounters
[04:00] Mark Heyman: How Whiskey and the Word started
[05:30] The structure (or lack thereof) of their weekly gatherings
[08:00] Why observation periods help newcomers feel comfortable
[10:00] The debate: Does focusing on whiskey exclude some people?
[13:00] Every group can't be all things to all people
[15:00] Dave's parish shopping journey and coming full circle
[20:00] Renee Roden: Community life is harder than it looks
[22:00] Why Catholic Worker families are thriving
[24:00] The danger of becoming your own dictator
[27:00] Navigating different Catholic expressions in Worker houses
[32:00] The importance of clarification of terms in community
[37:00] Luisamaria on digital vs. in-person community
[42:00] How commitment creates consistency
[45:00] Practical tips: Join the WhatsApp groups and talk to people after Mass
[50:00] Why virtual spaces work best for task-oriented gatherings

Join us next week as we dive into data from other studies and take a closer look at the Synod on Synodality. How is the global Church listening to its members, and what does that mean for your local parish?

Learn More About the Discipleship Study: Religion to Reality is built on comprehensive research into how Catholics are living their faith today. Visit our website for more details and resources from the study.