Josh Hawley commits a major misstep in his attempt to save face after helping incite an insurrection and Twitter rightfully bans Trump for using the platform to cause violence. Brian interviews Marc Elias, the lawyer who beat Trump and his allies in the more than 60 post-election court cases, about whether Trump, Don Jr., or Rudy Giuliani could be charged with sedition, why the insurrectionists were only charged with disorderly conduct, and whether a self-pardon by Trump would hold up.

Written by Brian Tyler Cohen

Produced by Sam Graber

Recorded in Los Angeles, CA

https://www.briantylercohen.com/podcast/

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