The time has come: Piper Sample returns to the pod to help Jamie deep dive the emotional energy underneath Jen Shah's conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Together, they're intuitively dropping into Jen's attitude toward her victims, how she justifies her actions in her mind and why she holds the idea of an honest living in such deep contempt. Additional topics include Jen's social media presence since her arrest, how her relationships to her ancestry and the Mormon church have possibly influenced her deceptive acts and the level of Coach Shah's awareness of her crimes. The pod also tackles larger philosophical topics such as why both Jamie and Piper had previously overlooked Jen's more problematic behavior as well as the underlying creative energy that lives inside even the most destructive impulses.

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