In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with MacKenzie Price, co-founder of Alpha Schools, about the limitations of the traditional education system, and what other educational models are possible.  

0:00 – Intro teaser: raising adaptable young people and the future of learning 

1:37 – Mackenzie's backstory: her own memories of schooling  

3:17 – The "I don't want to go to school tomorrow" moment  

4:36 – The root problem: one teacher, many different learners 

6:16 – The Alpha Schools vision: academics + life skills + passions  

6:56 – Alpha School's results and student growth  

7:37 – The industrial-era origins of the school system  

9:07 – Moving into a new era: information abundance and problem-solving  

11:03 – The skill of learning how to learn  

12:03 – Why base knowledge still matters in the age of AI + what the traditional model got wrong  

16:05 – The 2 Hour School Day  

23:01 – The foundation problem: algebra before multiplication tables  

24:33 – Results for kids at all levels — 20th to 95th percentile  

28:00 – Why ed tech alone doesn't work, and the role of motivation 

28:57 – The distinction between Guides and teachers  

33:37 – Jonathan Haidt's The Anxious Generation and screen time  

42:26 – Teaching kids to use tools (including tech) for good  

43:07 – Education at an inflection point: the question of scale and accessibility  

45:12– Selection effects criticism — and the response  

47:36 – Relationships with charter and public schools 

52:38 – The relationship to failure the traditional system gets wrong 

58:27 – Shout-outs, self-reflection, and accountability — even at age 5  

1:00:25 – Where Alpha Schools is headed: expansion, summer programs, new models  

1:01:52 – Closing thoughts and thank you 

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