In this conversation, Adam Walter and Deb Doning explore the intersection of technology, ethics, and human values. They discuss the importance of defining what 'good' means in the context of technological innovation, emphasizing that efficiency should not be the sole value pursued. Deb argues for a socio-technical perspective that considers the human experience and relationships in technology design. They highlight the need for low-tech solutions to complex problems and the significance of depth in human connections over mere connectivity. The discussion concludes with a call for responsible innovation that embraces complexity and diverse perspectives to address societal challenges.