This conversation with Dr. Jeff Warren and N.T. Wright explores a transformative understanding of the gospel that goes far beyond "getting souls into heaven." Dr. Wright helps us see that God's plan has always been about bringing heaven and earth together — not evacuating us from creation, but renewing and redeeming it.

From the tabernacle to the temple, from Jesus himself to the church filled with the Spirit, we see God's consistent pattern: making dwelling places where His presence fills His people. The resurrection of Jesus wasn't just proof of His divinity — it was the first installment of new creation, demonstrating that God is committed to renewing all things. As the church, we are called to be the "working model" of this new creation, showing the world what life under God's loving rule looks like. reconciliation.