For our first ever magic special we've got world-traveling magician Billy Kidd to help us talk about the new special from Derek DelGaudio, In and Of Itself, which is a magic show but also kinda not. It's on Hulu and definitely worth a watch. We talk about what parts worked for us and which landed like a ton of golden bricks. Plus magic news, the best magic movies, and more than a little talk about the differences between comedians and magicians. Check it out before it disappears!