On this episode of "Out of Office: A Travel Podcast," the boys celebrate the pod's 200th episode with travel icon Rick Steves! Kiernan chats with Rick about his latest book "On the Hippie Trail: Istanbul to Kathmandu and the Making of a Travel Writer" and about how keeping a journal can make one into a keener observer of culture.

Rick's philosophy of travel is that if you haven't come back changed, you didn't do it right. This interview will leave you changed.

Plus, a new artistic saint!

Things we talked about in today's podcast:

Rick Steves' Europe

https://www.ricksteves.com/

Free scans of every page of Rick's journal

https://www.ricksteves.com/about-rick/original-hippie-trail-journal

Saint Gaudi!

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/world/europe/antoni-gaudi-architect-saint.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Wanna help us celebrate 200? Leave a review (please)!

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/out-of-office-a-travel-podcast/id1438098925

And a final note from Ryan and Kiernan: RIP POPE FRANCIS!