For almost 50 years, Rick Telander’s been one of America’s great sportswriters. And then this year, his collection of poems was published. He’s still one of America’s great sportswriters. But now he’s also a published poet. And that’s just so freaking cool! Ben and Rick talk about their lifelong love for poetry and how there are metaphors for everything everywhere. Like…Donald Trump goes through life playing tennis without a net. Shoutout Robert Frost! Rick’s poetry collection is Sweet Dreams. And he’s a columnist for the Sun-Times.

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