Non-academic staff outnumber academic staff in NZ universities. Recently, we found the point in time when this happened.

Oliver talks to James about our latest research note, "When the Bloat Began: Non-Academic Staffing at New Zealand Universities over the Long Run (1961-1997)", authored by James and Michael.

They discuss this new research note, a few of the theories on why this has happened, and some of the key findings of the report.

You can find this report on our website at www.nzinitiative.org.nz