[This show first aired 12/10/2007.]

Phil Bowermaster and Michael Sargent had the pleasure of chatting with Dr. Robert Zubrin. Dr. Zubrin is an aerospace engineer who is well known as an advocate for a manned mission to Mars and for his book The Case for Mars. After some unfortunate technical difficulties, Phil and Michael spoke with Robert about Mars and his newest book Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil.