Roses and Thorns

1. Chris Harrison is a damn liar and ruined my fantasy bracket, 2. SYDNEY WAS A PAGEANT GIRL! Check our Twitter for receipts!

As we get to know the women more, our initial thoughts: Hannah Anne is untrustworthy, Kelsey needs to manage her emotions better, Victoria F just keeps sucking, and Hannah Brown should just steal Peter away.

Listen as Ryan and I have the biggest, most impassioned fight of our relationship about whether or not Kelley cheated. We talked about all the other stuff from the episode too, of course.

Don't know what's been happening around Bachelor Nation for the past 3 months? Well good news, we've been keeping track!

The details have been released and we've got them! Listen as we describe their bios and also try our best to figure out which celebrity each woman looks like. (We really should have figured those out ahead of time... whoops!)

Listen to us discuss again everything that already happened on Paradise! We also have the scoop on Nicole and Clay's hot seat! Also, we know now that Chris sucks because of how he treats Katie, but it turns out that he really suuuuucks.

Producers are working HARD to get into these people's heads and are really trying to convince them that getting engaged at 3 weeks (or less!!) of dating is a really good idea. Yea, ok... Also, DYLAN PICKS UP A STRANGE CHILD AT A BIRTHDAY PARTY AND I WILL NEVER GET OVER IT

Questions we have this week: What exactly did Angela do to deserve this negativity? Why does Clay care so much? Is Blake actually interested in Kristina again, or is she his unsatisfying snack? Is it easier to kiss the second time, or is Matt just not that into Sydney? Why did Dean RENT A CAR to drive the Grand Canyon when he LIVES IN A VAN?

This week we realize that there are a lot of 24 year olds on this show.

I know! It sounds like a crazy theory, but there's evidence to suggest that Derek isn't the gem he seems to be. We talk about Kevin's secret girlfriend, Christian's interesting love affair, we also have the list for the next season of DWTS if that's something you're into, and at some point we start recapping the show.