Wallaby and QLD Reds great Toutai Kefu applied for the Reds job that Les Kiss got and it was made clear they didn't want to appoint someone chasing the Wallabies gig. Kefu chats to Declan Byrne on 'The Saturday Sledge' about that process and why Les Kiss is a great fit for the Wallabies role, how his friendship with Joe Schmidt will make the transition seamless and what Kefu's own coaching aspirations are in the future.