Season 1, Episode 2: Gene Ross, Director of Outpatient Services for The Meadows-Dallas, sits down with host David Condos to discuss why our attempts to avoid pain are not only unsuccessful, but can also damage our mental health and lead us to substance use.

You can find out more about Gene's team and what the Meadows Outpatient Center in Dallas offers at http://meadowsiopdallas.com.

To check out more episodes of the Beyond Theory podcast and find all kinds of other resources and tools from Meadows Behavioral Healthcare, visit http://beyondtheorypodcast.com.

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