episode 13 / August 13, 2019 Callie and Jeff have one major difference between them when they're away from each other. Why Jeff felt like he'd become jaded but is now back to being excited. And Callie and Jeff will answer the number one question they get asked on Instagram and the Upside chats with Ennegram queen SaraJane Case (@enneagramandcoffee on IG) joining the show! As always, thank you for listening! The three most important things you can do that will help The Upside are: subscribe, leave a 5-star review and tell two friends about The Upside. 

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