We are fifth and somehow it feels awful. In this episode we try to unpack why. We revisit the Chelsea defeat, Caicedo’s clinic, and how our press collapsed at home. We talk creativity, Xavi Simons learning on the job, and whether set pieces are carrying us. Is it teething problems or a tactical flaw. Do we give Thomas Frank time or start dreaming about the next manager. We debate booing, the Van de Ven and Spence moment, and Vicario keeping the score sensible. We just want Spurs to be good again, and we are searching.

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