Series 2 - Check in on the lock in series special 

Hatty and funny mummy Gemma call up journalist, author and fellow podcaster Viv Groskop (How to Own the Room) to speak about her latest book Lift as You Climb: Women and the Art of Ambition.

In this week's episode, Viv talks about her inspiration for the book, what it means to push yourself forward and how to do it without stepping on other women's toes; we discuss how lockdown has sent us back to our dearest friends, that anxiety is likely the cause of so much of our unusual behaviour and whether the lack of distraction brings out what's important in our lives; the podcast is interrupted when Gemma has a slight emergency with a bin lid; Viv gives Hatty a bit of a tough-love coaching session and some  valuable social media advice; Gemma reveals the real reasons you should do a podcast; and lastly we take Viv on her dream child-free night out (it involves lots of Celine Dion).

This was recorded remotely on 3/6/2020 

Edited by Alex Holland 

In Association with Screaming with Laughter the lunch time comedy club where babies can come too (see Instagram for live shows to watch online).