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We interview Joe and Mendy McNulty, a husband and wife who are both former Pastors, about their lives growing up in the Church of the Nazarene, a fundamentalist Christian faith. They share how they left the church after years of working as head Pastor and children's Pastor respectively, and found new, alternative ways to help people heal. Anne and Alison learn wild stories of what it’s like to grow up as a fundamentalist including hell simulations, false biology lessons, and zero sex education.

Joe McNulty is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. “Informed by attachment theory and IFS, I incorporate effective counseling models to work with couples, families, and individuals. My passion is to help people recover their hearts so they can be who they are made to be and do what they are made to do.”

Mendy McNulty is a Nashville-based Internal Family Systems Practitioner and Healing Consultant. “I hold a Bachelor’s degree in Religious Studies and a Master’s degree in Education. I have 16 years of experience working in public school and university settings. I’m trained and endorsed by the Internal Family Systems Institute in Level 1 and Level 2: Deepening and Expanding IFS Practice. I have found extensive healing for myself through deep internal reflection in non-ordinary state work.”

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