Summary

Michael and Jeff discuss the challenges of measuring spiritual maturity and the need for a deeper understanding of faith that goes beyond mere rule-following. 

00:00 Opening

09:04 Exploring Centered Set Church Concepts

30:57 Bounded vs. Centered Churches

38:06 Leadership in Bounded vs. Centered Models

42:28 Blood, Ink, and Pencil Issues in Faith

46:54 Centered Approach to Faith and Community

50:04 The Challenge of Sin Management vs. Image Bearing

51:59 Digging Wells vs. Building Fences