In this sample of the Cyber Space podcast, Sue Gordon, the former Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, speaks with John Carlin about her experience delivering intelligence briefings to five of the last six U.S. presidents, and why she felt she had to resign under President Trump. 

In the full episode, Gordon also discusses her pathbreaking 40-year career in intelligence, and the current threats to the security of the U.S. election. 

Cyber Space is the newest podcast for members of CAFE Insider. Every other Friday, Carlin, who led the Justice Department’s National Security Division, explores issues at the intersection of technology, policy, and law with leaders who’ve made an impact in the world of cybersecurity. 

To listen to the full episode and get access to all exclusive CAFE Insider content, try the membership free for 2 weeks: cafe.com/insider

Sign up to receive a free weekly newsletter, featuring analysis by Elie Honig, and more: cafe.com/brief

Cyber Space is produced by CAFE Studios. 

Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Audio Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton

Cyber Space is produced in association with Brooklyn Law School’s BLIP clinic. Special thanks to Amanda Kadish,Isabel Agosto, Jordan Khorshad, and Motty Rivki.

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