Say It In Red

Good Morning, Dear Readers.

Today we present to you our final episode covering the Umineko no naku koro ni series, on Volume 8: Twilight of the Golden Witch. We've enjoyed taking this journey with you and even though there is a bit further left to go, we're already looking forward to the path ahead. Please, join us for our final Umineko tea party as we close the lid on the game board and lock it firmly.

As a warning to all listeners, this episode has massive spoilers for some of the deepest mysteries of Umineko - Please listen only when you are ready, and prepare yourselves accordingly. This includes discussions of the culprit's identity and even answers to mysteries not resolved in volume 7.

Volume 8 carries on from the very end of Volume 7 - Battler presents a game for Ange, one in which she was able to visit Rokkenjima in 1986 and experience the family conference there firsthand. The halloween party, the return of the Witch's Gold, the kindness of her family... none of it is what Ange remembered, none of it what she expected, and none of it rings true to her. As she questions her older brother and demands to know why he's showing her things which couldn't possibly be true, a single black cat opens a window and allows Ange to explore the island as she so desperately craves.

A Quiz tournament, vociferous and drunken flirtation, apocalyptic piracy, Caprine Insulaphagy, and a library heist all unfold as the final game nears its end. After spending 12 years waiting, searching, and pelted with the speculations of strangers, Ange has a single choice left to make. That choice, which determines which of Umineko's two endings you receive, will direct the course of her life in the future of 1998, and far beyond.


As a reminder, our next and final episode on Umineko (for now) is our Q&A episode which we'll be recording just a few days after the release of this episode! You can send your questions to us on twitter @sayitinredpod via DM, message us on patreon at patreon.com/sayitinred, or email us directly at [email protected]! Send us questions about Umineko, about our theories and ideas, about the When They Cry series as a whole, about the podcast in general, or any other visual novel and mystery related queries and we'll answer as many as we can on the air!

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Content Warnings for this Episode
General Content Warnings for: Murder, death, child abuse and exploitation, Family trauma, Violence, Fantastical Turning-people-into-candy-and-eating-them cannibalism, dismemberment, gore, and violent murder by shotgun.
1:14:00 to 1:27 :34 - Discussing the solution to the mini-mystery game within volume 8
1:21:00 - The statement of the mini-mystery game culprits
1:47:35 - Forced Cannibalism mention
2:22:05 - Suicide and Suicide ideation

Dear Readers,

Be forewarned. This episode, in which we cover Umineko volume 7: Requiem of the Golden Witch, contains a tremendous amount of spoilers, speculations, and extensive discussions of the whodunnit, whydunnit, and howdunnit of Umineko's mysteries. Please take care before you proceed, and when you're ready please join us for a thorough, emotional discussion.

The game opens with a funeral - all gather to pay their respects to Beatrice, the Golden Witch of Rokkenjima. Battler lays a book within an empty casket and Virgilia offers a witch's prayer, and then one by one each member of the Ushiromiya family mourns and remembers their mysterious benefactor... including Ushiromiya Lion, the 19-year-old successor to the family's headship.
Elsewhere, we see an inquisitor from the courts of Heaven rushing through the streets, cutting down false equivalencies and tearing through heartless deductions to protect innocent bystanders from accusations of murder. We're quickly introduced to the second new character of Volume 7: Willard Wright, who serves alongside Lion as the point of view character for the majority of this episode.
Drawn by Bernkastel into a strange amalgam of fragments centered around the Rokkenjima Chapel, Will and Lion are tasked with uncovering the identity of Beatrice's killer. After asking each member of the family about their experiences with Beatrice, after discovering the truth of Kinzo's past and the origin of the gold, and after questioning the miracle of Lion's existence, Will finally comes to understand the heart of the Culprit who orchestrated the Rokkenjima Massacre. Here, at Beatrice's funeral, we will finally hear the answer to the question that has been hanging from her lips since the end of the Question Arcs:

Who... am... I?

Please keep in mind that in addition to extensive spoilers about the content, characters, and plot of Umineko, we'll be discussing a lot of topics in this episode that are both painful and in some ways deeply personal to us as readers. A list of some of those topics will be included below, as well as general content warnings. Please also be warned that, due to the nature of Umineko's mysteries, simply learning about what sort of similarities there might be between our experience and that of the culprit could constitute a huge spoiler, so take care before you scroll down any further.
























In this episode, we will discuss a number of topics including, but not limited to:
Child abuse including sexual exploitation and coercion, Incest, Transphobia both external and internalized, Intersex issues including non-consensual surgeries, Fascist war crimes in WWII, graphic scenes of violence and murder typical of Umineko, Homophobia both external and internalized,  parental abuse and a lot of very tangled, messy parent-child relationships, and a number of other familial abuse topics.

Since Intersex issues are not discussed as often both in the mystery genre and in society in general, we wanted to include some resources here.
For more specific information on Intersex issues, including the history of non-consensual surgeries on intersex individuals, advocacy, and additional information, you can visit

https://interactadvocates.org/


Content Warnings for this Episode:

00:16:55: EPISODE 7 SPOILERS BEGIN

1:09:25: Spoilers for classic game Portopia Serial Murders

01:45:00 to 01:51:30: Discussions of Child exploitation, incest, child abuse

02:29:15: Murders, gunshots, fatal face injuries

02:58:00: Specific spoilers for Twilight Mystery Solving from all Question Arc games

Without Love, it cannot be seen!
But all Love is not equal, all Love is not blessed!
Was Love alone truly never enough?

This week, Sara and Runa finally hear KT and Raven's Full Culprit Theory: Their answers to the who dunnit, the why dunnit, and even a bit of the how. Before we reach that point, however, we discuss Umineko volume 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch!
As the story opens, we see Battler, now donning a cape remarkably similar to the one Kinzo wore in life. He finishes inscribing a magic sigil into the floor of Kinzo's study, signifying the completion of the tale of the 6th game. As he steps back and sighs, Genji tells him of Beatrice's difficulties in crafting the first four tales, her constant battle against the threat of Logic Errors, and the way she cackled proudly even after struggling for so long. And then, Beatrice herself arrives... though she calls Battler 'Father' and seems polite and demure. Battler, frustrated, sends her away harshly. What sort of resurrection was he able to achieve, after Beatrice died in his arms at the fifth game's close?

 Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the second series of When They Cry games published by 07th expansion and written by Ryukishi07. It focuses on a series of mysterious murders carried out over the course of October 4th and 5th, 1986, on the island of Rokkenjima.  Volume 6 focuses on the events of Battler's game, after he has ascended to the post of Game Master and Territory Lord - With Bernkastel and Erika as his opponents, he proclaims that he will craft a game that will prove his understanding of the Truth and the deepest core of Beato's mystery. This game begins much like any other, but now Furudo Erika no longer has the power of the Detective's Authority... That is a good thing, isn't it?
While the family members and staff adjust to the presence of their unpleasant guest, Shannon and Kanon discuss their convictions and their respective Loves for George and Jessica. As Kanon finally confesses his love, and as Shannon steels her resolve, a pair of theatrical demons arrives to put the young lovers through a Trial of Love. Zepar and Fufur declare that only one Love can receive the blessing of a miracle! Only one Love can be made whole and strong enough to face the trials of the world! They will grant this blessing only to those who show their convictions... by completing the trials and carrying out the murders of the epitaph.

Please remember that other listeners may still be reading for the first time as you listen to this episode, and help us make sure that they don't get spoiled for any of the mysteries and questions they're working hard to understand!

As always, If you enjoy Say it in Red, you can follow our podcast at SayitinredPod on twitter, and please give us a rating and review wherever you listen!

Content Warnings for this Episode:
General warnings for violence, murder, gore, abuse, and torture.
General warning in the theory discussion section for coercion and sexual assault, grooming, and incest.
00:25:00 - Erika's use of sexual assault metaphors
02:22:50 - Beginning of detailed discussions of KT and Raven's theories pertaining to grooming, child abuse, sexual abuse, and exploitation of minors.

This week,

Battler dies.

The answer arcs begin with a dramatic twist: While Battler has been ignoring the 5th game, run by Lambdadelta, Bernkastel's new piece has already announced the culprit and is preparing for their trial. Ushiromiya Natsuhi is called to the stand before the second twilight is even complete, and the Detective, Furudo Erika, has prepared an ironclad, airtight case against her. With Beato's eyes cold and unresponsive, Battler searches through this cruel 5th game for traces of her and declares that he will fight to take this game board back from the witches - This is a game between him and Beato, after all, and he promised to be the one to kill her. Is it even possible, though, to defeat the Detective within a mystery novel?


Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the second series of When They Cry games published by 07th expansion and written by Ryukishi07. It focuses on a series of mysterious murders carried out over the course of October 4th and 5th, 1986, on the island of Rokkenjima.  In volume 5, we see the answer arcs begin with an unconventional game arranged by Lambdadelta to entertain her dearest Bernkastel. We see the island in 1985, as Natsuhi and Krauss learn of Kinzo's death and Krauss breaks down, panicking over the possible revelation of his embezzlement. With her husband indisposed, Natsuhi takes charge of the situation and forms a plan to create the illusion that Kinzo is still alive, working with the servants on staff to make sure that the 1985 family conference proceeds without any of Krauss's siblings learning the truth. That was a year ago, however, and since then, Eva, Rudolf, and Rosa have grown increasingly suspicious. As the October 4th of 1986 approaches and the pressure on Natsuhi rises, a mysterious caller contacts her just before the relatives arrive. The caller claims to be her son. The caller claims to know her favorite season. The caller claims that Natsuhi tried to throw them away and kill them, 19 years ago. Although she tries to put this out of her mind, the calls continue on into the evening of October 4th, long after the external lines have all gone dead as a result of the storm...


Please remember that other listeners may still be reading for the first time as you listen to this episode, and help us make sure that they don't get spoiled for any of the mysteries and questions they're working hard to understand!

As always, If you enjoy Say it in Red, you can follow our podcast at SayitinredPod on twitter, and please give us a rating and review wherever you listen!

Content Warnings for this Episode:
General warnings for violence, murder, gore, abuse, and torture.

This week, we reach the end of the Umineko Question Arcs, and the halfway point in our journey through the forests of Rokkenjima.

The Golden Witch's game has reached its dramatic climax and Beatrice makes some of her most startling moves in Umineko no Naku Koro Ni, Volume 4: Alliance of the Golden Witch. We begin not in 1986, but in 1998 with Ushiromiya Ange in a world where only Eva returned alive from Rokkenjima. As Ange works backwards from the future to seek the truth of what happened on Rokkenjima, Battler faces one of the most aggressive mysteries yet - Kinzo descends from the study and conducts the first twilight just after dinner, and by midnight of the first day, only Battler will remain alive. While the cousins remain barricaded within the guest house, they can do little else but wait anxiously for phone calls from their relatives and head out, one by one, to meet their uncertain fate. Over and Over, Battler answers the phone and hears about Kinzo's overwhelming magical power, demons and witches holding his family hostage, and even Kyrie's testimony that magic is certainly real, and that Battler should certainly believe in it. Soon, it will be Battler's turn... Dear Readers, how do you think he'll do in his test, with Beato as his examiner?

 Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the second series of When They Cry games published by 07th expansion and written by Ryukishi07. It focuses on a series of mysterious murders carried out over the course of October 4th and 5th, 1986, on the island of Rokkenjima.  In volume 4, the final game of the question arc, Bernkastel has granted Ange passage onto the gameboard but she becomes bound by the condition that she cannot reveal her name and identity to Battler. Still, with her help, Battler manages to gain more ground in fighting back against the mysteries of Rokkenjima and in particular, gains a powerful tool in the form of the ability to use Blue Truth. By proclaiming a theory in blue that can explain away the magic on the game board, Battler can force Beato to respond in Red or risk defeat at the end of the game. Now, at the end of the question arcs, Battler finally has the stakes in hand to skewer the witch and bring this game to its conclusion. Beato looks at him with a pained smile, taunts him through a cracking voice, and as she bleeds, Battler holds her gently and promises to kill her without fail.

Don't lose heart. We're only halfway through, after all.


 Please remember that KT and Raven are still reading as you listen to this episode, and help us make sure that they don't get spoiled for any of the mysteries and questions they're working hard to understand!

 As always, If you enjoy Say it in Red, you can follow our podcast at SayitinredPod on twitter, and please give us a rating and review wherever you listen!

Content Warnings for this Episode:
00:47:00 - Child Neglect
01:04:00 - Child Neglect and Abuse
01:19:00 - Fantastical Torture and Gore

Welcome Back to Rokkenjima.
Are you settling in to your new surroundings? Please, don't mind the thunder rolling over the cliffs and enjoy this game to its fullest.

This week, Sara, Runa, KT, and Raven meet murderous MILFs, MILF witches, and witches with a tsundere streak, all while Battler finally breaks his streak of losing heart. Sort of.

We continue our stay on Rokkenjima as we read Umineko no Naku Koro Ni, Volume 3: Banquet of the Golden Witch. As the curtain rises on a new game, we see a glimpse into what appears to be Beato's past where her teacher, the former Beatrice, tells her of the Endless Magic. As October 4th dawns again and the typhoon clutches Rokkenjima in its grip, the first twilight unfolds with a baffling series of six interlinked closed rooms and a grand witches' battle between Beato and her teacher. Battler soon learns from her teacher that there are far more options open to him and he has more ways to fight back than he realized. By the time he finds his footing, however, something even more earth-shattering has happened: Ushiromiya Eva has solved the Witch's epitaph, found the gold, and become the new Golden Witch. EVA Beatrice now descends to the rose garden and the murders continue apace, all while Beato and Battler struggle to keep up. Come, come, try to remember, Battler... what is it that you should really be focusing on right now?

Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the second series of When They Cry games published by 07th expansion and written by Ryukishi07. It focuses on a series of mysterious murders carried out over the course of October 4th and 5th, 1986, on the island of Rokkenjima. In this, the third game of the series, we meet more demons and witches than ever as Battler becomes ever more adamant that witches and demons absolutely do not exist. He becomes more and more adamant that an additional culprit, or perhaps any number of additional culprits, could potentially exist and there could be a 19th, 20th, 30th, or 100th person on this island hiding in the shadows and waiting to act. He holds firm to his Devil's Proof, even when confronted with Beato's new tactic of employing Hempel's Raven to provide proof via the contrapositive. Then, in the midst of all this turmoil, Rosa finally confesses: There was another person on the island, Beatrice, who appeared exactly as she does in the mansion's portrait  and who lived at a hidden mansion deep in the forests of Rokkenjima. Rosa knows this for certain, because she met Beatrice 19 years ago,

And then she killed her.


Please remember that KT and Raven are still reading as you listen to this episode, and help us make sure that they don't get spoiled for any of the mysteries and questions they're working hard to understand!

As always, If you enjoy Say it in Red, you can follow our podcast at SayitinredPod on twitter, and please give us a rating and review wherever you listen!

Content Warnings for this Episode:
General warning for Murder, Violence, Death, Impalement, Shooting/Guns, Blood, and Gore. 

00:18:15 - Ableist language in character description
00:48:50 to 00:57:45 - discussion of captivity, grooming, possible incest
1:54:00 - Graphic Fantastical Torture

Welcome Back to Rokkenjima.
We sincerely hope you're enjoying your stay, as the storm won't be letting up for quite some time. Now, let us continue.

This week, Sara, Runa, KT, and Raven finally reach that pivotal moment in dramatic storytelling: The Title Drop!

We continue our reading of Umineko no Naku Koro Ni with volume 2: Turn of the Golden Witch where Battler takes a nap, Maria gets to celebrate Halloween Early, and we learn once again that the Ushiromiya family isn't spending a dime on therapy. A new version of October 4th and 5th greet us with new twilights, new victims, and more Beatrice content than ever before! This time, Beatrice appears on the meta-layer to taunt battler and prod him after each murder, telling him to accept that these murders were done with magic. Battler refuses to accept magic, however, and also refuses to accuse either his family members or any of the servants of being the culprit. Still, people are dying at a rapid pace... Battler, is that strategy really going to help you in this situation?

Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the second series of When They Cry games published by 07th expansion and written by Ryukishi07. It focuses on a series of mysterious murders carried out over the course of October 4th and 5th, 1986, on the island of Rokkenjima. With the cast already introduced and the setting established, we get to see more of the past and more of each character's inner world. We see Shannon, years ago as she goes on a date with George, speaks with Beatrice on the beach, hears that Love is impossible for Furniture, and seems to take drastic measures to challenge that fate. We see Kanon, watching anxiously as he believes the witch is beguiling his sister and tormenting them both with the promise of a love that will never truly be possible for furniture such as themselves. We see Rosa, abusing Maria violently and publicly on the train ride toward the family conference, and then we see Maria, clinging to Rosa afterwards and telling her that 'It's not Mama's fault, the Bad Witch was possessing her.' Now, with Battler as both participant and observer of these mysteries, the cycle begins again. The Golden Witch Beatrice challenges him to deny her magical explanations for the elaborate closed room murders or else surrender, accept witches, and kiss her feet as her new prized Furniture for all eternity.

Please remember that KT and Raven are still reading as you listen to this episode, and help us make sure that they don't get spoiled for any of the mysteries and questions they're working hard to understand!

As always, If you enjoy Say it in Red, you can follow our podcast at SayitinredPod on twitter, and please give us a rating and review wherever you listen!

Further Reading on Okinawa and the US Military's Impact on the island

• Fears Raised that war dead remains mixed in with Henoko Landfill
• Student nurse recalls horrors of Okinawa fighting
• Indigenous Okinawans are Fighting U.S. Imperialism
• The Suitcase Murder Tearing the U.S. and Japan Apart

Content Warnings for this Episode:
General warning for Murder, Violence, Death, Impalement, Shooting/Guns, Blood, and Gore.
00:11:00 to 00:17:00 - Discussion of Military occupation and related real life murders
00:11:00 - Discussion of a 20-something man dating a 14-15yo servant of his family 
00:40:25 to 00:51:00 - Discussion of Child Abuse
01:25:00 - Disembowelment
02:43:45 - Cannibalism, forced Cannibalism, Vomiting, and Body Horror

Welcome to Rokkenjima. We've been waiting for you for a long, long time. Now that you're here with us, let's begin the Witch's Game.

This week marks the beginning of Say it in Red's journey into Umineko no Naku Koro Ni, a visual novel that's extremely dear to the hosts and one that they've both read and reread many times since it's initial release. To recapture the experience of reading for the first time, two Guest Readers will join Sara and Runa for the duration of this trip: KT Kelly and Raven have never read Umineko before, have minimial knowledge of it and no significant spoilers about any of its mysteries, and are eager to uncover the secrets of Rokkenjima, the Ushiromiya family, and the Golden Witch herself...

Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is the second series of When They Cry games published by 07th expansion and written by Ryukishi07. It focuses on the wealthy Ushiromiya family as its members gather on October 4th, 1986, on the remote island of Rokkenjima off the coast of Japan. At this family conference, the adults in the family all bicker and fight over their share of the family wealth and estate as the aging patriarch, Kinzo, is said to only have around 3 months left to live. This family conference also marks the first time in six years that Battler, one of Kinzo's grandchildren, has come to Rokkenjima after a long and bitter feud with his father, Rudolf. Unaware and unprepared for the state of the family after all this time, Battler steps onto Rokkenjima in high spirits and with the hope of rekindling his friendship with his cousins. After dinner, though, it becomes clear that something more ominous is about to occur... With tensions high and the adults arguing about the division of inheritance and Kinzo's wealth, Rudolf takes his wife, Kyrie, and son, Battler, aside and tells them both that by the end of the night, he might end up being killed. This is only complicated by the letter that arrived during dinner, the letter that came with Kinzo's seal and contained a message allegedly from Beatrice, the Golden Witch of legend who supposedly granted Kinzo the gold that formed the basis for the family's wealth. The portrait of this witch hangs in the main hall of the Ushiromiya mansion and contains an epitaph, a mysterious poem that describes what seems to be a brutal sacrificial ceremony aimed at resurrecting Beatrice. The evening passes slowly as the typhoon rages outside, and when the next morning arrives, six people have gone missing and a strange magical sigil has been drawn on the garden storehouse...

Umineko is a Mystery story about a series of murders that occurs on Rokkenjima in the midst of a typhoon between October 4th and 5th. Or, perhaps it's a story about an occult ceremony to revive a thousand-year-old witch  and plunge the island into a mystical otherworld. Or, perhaps it's something else entirely?

If you've read Umineko before, join Sara and Runa as they enjoy rereading and seeing new readers experience it for the first time.

If you've never read Umineko before, join KT and Raven as they read through each volume, come up with theories, discuss their ideas, and try to understand the mysteries of the Rokkenjima massacre and the Ushiromiya family.

Please remember that KT and Raven are still reading as you listen to this episode, and help us make sure that they don't get spoiled for any of the mysteries and questions they're working hard to understand!

If you enjoy Say it in Red, you can follow our podcast at SayitinredPod on twitter, and please give us a rating and review wherever you listen!

Content Warnings for this Episode:
General warning for Murder, Violence, Death, Impalement, Shooting/Guns, Blood, and Gore.
01:09:00 to 01:12:30 - Discussion of Child Abuse
01:29:30 to - 01:35:00 Discussion of a 23yo man dating a 16yo servant of his family

We are speaking to you over radio waves leaking through a broken keyhole. Summer is over, but that sickening feeling of sweat against your skin won't leave until we're well into October, like most things that follow you even as you flee from one season to the next.

This week, Sara and Runa go to summer camp in September! The woods! The campfires! The blaring voice of God crackling over the radio to shame you for your every inner thought! We Know The Devil is about three teens, Jupiter, Neptune, and Venus, who hate their vaguely christian-ish themed and existentially withering summer camp. Their group is always coming in last place. They're always taking the brunt of everyone else's criticism and the Bonfire Captain's unwanted attention. They're always having to deal with the smug chuckles of Group South while they climb the telephone poles to fix radio sirens. But tonight, they're going to meet The Devil. In an isolated cabin far from the rest of the campers, deep in the woods and mosquito-bitten wilderness, Venus, Jupiter, and Neptune spend the night trying to distract themselves from what they all already know for certain:

One of us is the Devil. I think... I think it's me.


We Know The Devil (2015) is a visceral and atmospheric visual novel about messy teens in a summer camp that hates them nestled in a forest that might love them far from a society that definitely wants them to shut up and fail. It's hard to describe exactly what it's about without giving everything away, but it's an exceptional horror game with fairly simple routes and an extremely satisfying narrative payoff. Please join us as we kick off the spooky season of Octember with one of our favorite visual novels of all time, and if you have a chance, go ahead and grab a copy to play it for yourself!

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Content Warnings for this episode:
General content warning for discussion of religious homophobia, transphobia, and Evangelical Christianity.
00:26:02 to 00:26:45 - Mention of sexual harrassment
01:04:30 - Body Horror 

This week, Sara, Runa, and special guest Mari continue communing with the spectral rooftop lesbians in Kindred Spirits on the Roof! In this episode we'll go through the ending of the game and dip just slightly into its deep well of extra content, following Yuna and the other Shirojo students through the fall School Festival and then on toward the end of the calendar year. As the school festival draws to a close, Hina comes to Yuna with a bright smile and tells her something that will send her spiraling into emotional turmoil throughout most of October...

As mentioned in our previous episode, Kindred Spirits on the Roof (2012/2016 English Release) is a kinetic novel that focuses on protagonist and 2nd year high schooler Yuna as she meets two ghosts on her school's rooftop, then promptly gets pulled into a year long quest to help other students at the school come to terms with and act upon the feelings they have for other girls. Sachi and Megumi, the titular Kindred Spirits, find girls who seem to have romantic feelings for their classmates, seniors, fellow club members, or friends and work with Yuna to find out how they can assist each of these girls in conveying their feelings. Sachi, who died over 80 years prior, has witnessed so many girls who fell in love and then never had the chance or felt secure enough to confess that love, and so she's determined to make sure that this school, at least, can be a place where those feelings can flourish. In the first half of the game, we saw Yuna work with the Kindred Spirits as they helped other girls around school to come to terms with their feelings, confess to the girls they loved, or resolve some of the barriers that kept them from opening up to others. Yuna, herself, has changed a great deal since then and it seems that she may be one of the only ones who hasn't noticed just yet...

Please note that this is a game with sexual content and while we don't talk about it in detail, it is something we discuss briefly throughout the episode.

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