Second Life Leader

Doug and Alex have an excellent discussion about podcasting and using podcasts to build a brand.

At first glance, it can seem like the podcast medium is too crowded. However, Alex breaks it down by filtering out the inactive podcasts and the ones with less than 10 episodes published.

The net result is a much smaller community than you might imagine of active podcasts. This means that now is an exceptional time to launch your podcast and build a personal brand.

Learn more at https://creatingabrand.com

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to create value and capture cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results. 

You can find out more at www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to terminal value podcast. I have Alex. Okay Alex I might butcher your name so forgive me here is a snap snap leaf snap Leo.

Alex: Not even close. But hey I love this because nobody ever gets close, so I love just listening somebody like hey can tell me how to say it I'm like I want to hear you try first. It's Sanfilippo and very few people get it.

Doug: Okay yeah. Alright I utterly and completely butchered it well. Mine's not burgets, it's you know not quite as easy to butcher but I've certainly had many of my own experiences. But anyway.

Alex: I'm sure.

Doug: I'm here to talk with Alex just about the podcast medium and podcasting for brand building. And this is of course a chance for Alex to promote his brand as well because he is the founder of pod match which of course is a podcasting basically a matchmaking service to find podcast authors and podcast guests. So I think the you know of course I'm going to give Alex a chance to promote his brand because that's a part of what we all do when we run podcasts. But really just want to have open conversation just about the meaning of the podcast medium and really what it's doing to media. And I thought Alex in our pre you know our pre-interview chat one of the things he said that I thought was really really profound is that a lot of people are really just looking for kind of feeling like there's somebody to be around because you know we're all kind of stuck by ourselves so with this with the rolling lockdown. So I live in Oregon which is in which has kind of never really gotten out of the idea that nobody's allowed to go anywhere. And of course right anybody who's on the west coast  it probably feels the same what number of other states have loosened up a bit but, yeah. Is this something I can only assume. This is something you've been noticing that a lot of people are just really feeling like they need to have some kind of voice in their life. 

Alex: Yeah. Interestingly enough. First off I'm so glad to be here Doug. Thanks,...

Doug talks with Emily Garrick-Steenson about the role and importance of community support organizations such as Lutheran Community Services Northwest and 'A Family Place.' (www.FamilyPlaceRelief.org)

The importance of these organizations to the most vulnerable population in communities is often extremely high and easy to overlook.

Public support programs are stretched thin across the country and community support organizations like LCS Northwest and A Family Place step in to address a critical gap in helping at-risk families to stay self-sufficient and avoid the need for state intervention at a very high cost to the taxpayers.

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to capture overhead cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results.

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Emily Garrick Steenson with me, and she is with Lutheran Community Services Northwest. And she specifically works with a service out of the Newburgh area called a family place. And one of the many things that they do is they actually do early intervention to basically to help keep families together and to help families figure out how to, you know, basically how to avoid needing to go through the system. And being a financial guy. I actually heard her first presentation on this at the local chamber. And what really struck me is the amount of cost avoidance just the magnitude of cost avoidance that you can create by avoiding needing to send just one person through the system, you know, as by going through the system. I mean, like juvie rehab, those types of things, because in a lot of cases, those get funded, publicly funded, I apologize. I'm slipping over my tongue here. And they cost a lot of money that most municipalities just don't have. Emily, please introduce yourself and help everybody else learn what you've taught me just about how impactful community organizations can be. 

Emily: Sure. So, like Doug said, my name is Emily Garrick-Steenson. I am the marketing and events director for a specialist excuse me, for Lutheran Community Services Northwest and a family place. A family place is our program here in Yamhill County, not just Newburgh, but McMinnville. And we recently opened this year, a classroom in Sheridan, which is really exciting. And recently got to place a building on the property of the will of minus School District. So we are all across the county from the east most point to the west, which is really exciting. 

Doug: I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna do a quick stop there. And so that is that is Yamhill County in Oregon, for the listeners who are out of state or possibly out of the country so and for people who are not in the United States, or who are from the east coast, Oregon is a state that's way over on the west coast, sandwiched between California and Washington, I like to say there's a state between Seattle and San Francisco, and that's called Oregon. And that's what we both live.

Emily: That’s true. And to be more specific, Yamhill County is known internationally as Oregon's wine country, which seems very posh and high end. But Yamhill County has this really unique mix of we play a little bit of suburbs to Portland, and the business...

Political polarization has become an unfortunate fact of life.

This has been accelerated by social media selectively banning certain voices while allowing others to continue unfettered.

The result has been that all forms of two-way conversation are almost completely non-existent online. The current trend of hyper-polarization is clearly unsustainable, but nobody seems to know how to get from where we are now to a more civil future.

Doug & Bill have a recommendation that is surprisingly simple.

Learn more at https://www.billpost.com

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to create value and capture cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results. 

You can find out more at www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Representative Bill Post with me today and so Bill is actually the representative in the Oregon Legislature who represents the town where I live in Newburgh. What I feel is a very topical conversation is you know, as we're recording this. Recently there have been decisions by either Facebook or YouTube or twitter or a number of social media sites to either you basically to either de-list a number of people or to you know not to cancel accounts. And some people are concerned that this is a huge. This is some sort of huge imposition of free speech. So Bill has a very unique perspective because he spent four decades in radio and so he his perspective is actually pretty similar to mine in that people are really overestimating the broad importance of social media and that real interaction still has to happen between people and so because just an excellent conversation we had right before we started recording was about how you know the the people who are dominating the radio. As far as talk radio like actually listening to it on the airwaves are still Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and they learned how to hone their craft in the 70s and 80s when there were a lot of the pieces of the art that were taught that are really are lost now and that really just fascinated me. And Bill I'd love to love to hear your thoughts or get your input.

Rep Bill:  Sure, yeah I mean I started my first radio job in 1978. My first and I was still in high school. My first full-time real gig was 81 and it was in top 40 radio and you got to remember we were still using real real tape. We were using obviously 33 and 45 rpm records and we used what were called carts which if you've never seen one most people haven't they look like if you can remember eight tracks. They look like an eight-track but they were they actually were two-track. Start and stop, that's the tracks and they were 30 seconds 60 seconds or whatever time you had on the tape. And those so there were there was a skill that you had to learn in that. If those things...

During 2020 there was quite a bit of attention on Law Enforcement and Equity.

Starting with the George Floyd tragedy in Minneapolis, there were a string of protests and riots that erupted due to the display of equity disparities and their impact on society.

One of the things that can be done to address this is by incorporating advanced monitoring technology for the protection of both the people law enforcement interacts with and the officers themselves.

Brandon Walcott (Brandon Walcott | LinkedIn) works for GeTac video solutions to fill this gap and help bring equity to Law Enforcement through Technology.

Learn more at https://getacvideo.com

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to create value and capture cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results. 

You can find out more at www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Okay welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Brandon Walcott with me today and Brandon has the auspicious honor of having been an intern that I brought on board back when I was at Intel in 2016. And depending on when you're listening to this that may seem like a really long time ago or maybe or it may not and incidentally he was actually referred to me by his grandfather when I was working with my wife doing a fundraising auction for our kids school. But Brandon's actually a really clever guy. He's been an entrepreneur since he was what probably about 10 or so doing something or another and what he's actually doing right now is in the technology business specifically for law enforcement. And I thought that bringing technology using technology to help bring transparency to law enforcement especially with all of the stuff that's been going on between the you know between of course the unfortunate incidents with a number of people who've been involved in some of these officer incidents. And you know the riots and all of that kind of stuff Brandon I'd love give everybody an intro and tell us a little more about what your company does and how you're really helping to bring that transparency into the law enforcement sector.

Brandon: Yeah thanks so much Doug and yeah when you look back on it 2016 that's five years ago now it's pretty wild.

Doug: I know.

Brandon: To think of the journey since then and how much I think we both have grown which is pretty exciting. But yeah so, so my background before I get to gtac video solutions is the company I work for right now, like Doug said I've always been interested in technology and very young age entrepreneurship. At the age of 15 I had a choice: do I want to mow my neighbor's lawn for five bucks or fix their computer for 50 bucks. One of those involved getting...

Napoleon Hill first wrote about the mastermind principle over 80 years ago in his classic book 'Think and Grow Rich.'

Aaron is taking Hill's classic lessons and taking them to the next level as a leader & participant in multiple mastermind groups that propel success-minded people to even greater heights of achievement.

It is almost impossible to underestimate the impact of positive, constructive association. Consciously executing the mastermind principle in your business and life is an exceptional way to ensure continued, growth-oriented interactions that propel everybody in your circle of influence to greater heights.

Learn more at www.ViewFromTheTop.com

You can find out more at  www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Aaron Walker with me.  So Aaron it's, it's hard to say exactly what Aaron does. He is a man of many, many talents. He is of course known mostly for his, a view from the top, book and series. But, what I actually brought him on here to talk about was the mastermind concept originated by Napoleon Hill will not originate it but popularized by Napoleon Hill, as well as many of the other really important parts of building a successful business and becoming a successful leader. Aaron, please introduce yourself to audience.

Aaron: Hey Doug, thanks for having me on, man. I really appreciate it. I'll give you a 30,000 foot view. I won't bore your audience too much. I hope I'm a native Nashvillian live in Nashville, Tennessee.

Doug: Outstanding:

Aaron: My 60th year here. I love it in Nashville. People ask me all the time on interviews. If you could live anywhere you wanted, where would you live? And I said, well, I can live anywhere I want. And I do. And it's Nashville, Tennessee. I love it here started my first business at 18, 42 years ago. And I've been an entrepreneur since we've started. And so 14 different businesses. I retired for the third time when I turned 50, 10 years ago, and then a mastermind that I'm in with Dave Ramsey and Dan Miller and some of those other guys, they encouraged me to coach. So I started coaching fell in love with that process. Today we have 20 masterminds, we're in nine different countries and we absolutely are having a blast. Helping people live a very successful life and significant life. And so I've got a journey a little bit along those lines that I can share a little later how the paradigm shift changed for me and how I went from really self focused to outward focus. 

Doug: Okay.

Aaron: It really changed my life.

Doug: Well, I've actually found that a lot of the most successful people and by successful, I don't just mean raking in tons of money, but the most successful people, as far as having, you know, having real

There was a time when marketing options for small businesses were terribly limited.

In the 1990's, only mid-sized companies and larger enterprises could afford to produce a professional looking promotional video. The economics have change radically in the past two decades, and there are more options available to small businesses than ever before.

Doug and Bryan discuss the dynamics of creating quality video marketing content for your business.

Learn more at https://junglemedia.com

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to create value and capture cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results. 

You can find out more at www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Brian Groves with me today and he is actually the owner of Jungle Media where he actually he specializes in helping small and medium businesses create video marketing. And I actually have them online on here today  to just talk about the evolution in video production because what we were just talking about before the call is how in 1996 which isn't that actually a little while ago but not that long ago. If you wanted to do any kind of video project at all the cost started at about fifteen thousand dollars and went up from there rapidly. But what's happened is that the cost of creating really pretty high quality video has come down considerably and that's really just changed the whole dynamics of the video marketing industry. You know now of course the one of the things you also have to contend with is that there's a lot of people who are just doing point-and-shoot videos with their iPhone or with their Samsung and a lot of this is proliferated onto YouTube. And so Brian I'd love to get your input, your thoughts and also to help the listeners understand what are the things that make for really compelling video marketing.

Brian: Okay, sure yeah. I think how it might be easiest to begin is to break any kind of content. For marketing purposes that has video as part of it into several categories of how they're used and it's useful I think when you're talking about what your budget should be? or what kind of equipment you should be using? or what quality you need to remember that there's a difference between these three different categories. The first category which has been around forever is what I call immediate content. So this is the typical on tv mattresses are on sale. This weekend 50 off  that piece of content announcing the sale of something is very immediate. It's very perishable. It's something that is only useful for a very short period of time so that's the typical commercial. Hey there's a sale this weekend come on down we've got we've only got six left or whatever it is that sort of thing.

Doug: Yeah. Generally speaking...

Doug talks with Sister Adele Marie Altenhofen from the Sisters of Saint Mary in Oregon. The organization runs a convent, a school spanning from pre-school up through high school, and a senior care center.

Doug and Sister Adelle Marie discuss the dynamics of running a mission-driven organization and the challenges that have been overcome during COVID as the guidelines constantly changed.

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to create value and capture cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results. 

You can find out more at www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Sister Adelle Marie with me from the Sisters of Saint Mary. The campus in Beaverton Oregon which incidentally is where both of my kids go to school. My daughter Jada and my son Nolan. I won't say their ages but if you know me you probably know how old they are. They are both enrolled at the Sisters of Saint Mary's school. However, there are also some other ministries that go on as there as well which is they have a convent which is where Sister Adelle Marie lives with. Was it 49 other nuns?

Sister Adelle: Approximately yes.

Doug: Approximately yes. There's 42 there are 49 other nuns and they also run a senior care home called Maryville. In addition to having housing for retired clergy and Sister Adelle Marie she is actually the financial director. So she has quite a bit on her plate and she's graciously decided to come and talk to us just about the mission and the and then the resiliency they've shown in trying to figure out how to adapt to the covid reality and it's actually very timely conversation because as of the time of this recording the governor of the state of Oregon put a new set of restrictions on reopening schools. So you know, they the sisters are saying all right well that's okay we didn’t want to celebrate Christmas anyway. We’re just gonna be in meetings all the time. So Sister Adelle please welcome and yeah please tell us a little bit about your ministry over at the campus.

Sister Adelle: Certainly. So I am what we call my role is called the President of the Sisters of Saint Mary of Oregon Ministries Corporation and as noted we have several ministries on our campus. The school was founded clear back in the early 1900s we were known then as Saint Mary's and then it changed the St. Mary's Institute and then it became at some point in the line Saint Mary of The Valley Academy and then changed to Valley Catholic. So Valley Catholic school on our campus actually serves babies as young as six to eight weeks all the way up through our seniors in high School and we have about a thousand students on our campus. So usually, usually they're all on our campus right now they've been doing digital learning as was noted. Then we have Maryville Nursing facility. It has residents up to a capacity of 165 residents there and then another 15 in

2020 has been quite a year ...

Doug provides his thoughts looking back on the year and insights for the year to come.

To cap it off, Doug wishes everybody a merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to capture overhead cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results.

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Alright! Welcome to the terminal value podcast. This is actually a special holiday edition where of course as I'm sure you can tell I don't have anybody interviewing. I am just going to be talking to you all by my lonesome reflecting on 2020. Now if there is one thing that 2020 is most assuredly going to be known for it is the pandemic. The covid 19 pandemic is pretty much the item of the year. I think very closely associated with it and related to it is the US presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Much of which centered on the covid 19 pandemic and so when I look back at the year, there're a couple of things that I think about. And there's a few thoughts I wanted to, that I want to take forward and I wanted to share those with you. So the first thing that I think of is that okay now first of all is that I'm you know any loss of life of course is tragic. But what I just can't really get past is how there's been a laser focus on mortalities from covid and a complete and total lack of acknowledgement of anything else. So for example one of the things that I saw recently is that although the covid fatalities have been going up fatalities from other causes mortalities from other causes have been going down because what happens is if somebody goes into a hospital and they get diagnosed with covid and they should die even if it wasn't because of covid. If they died with covid, it is logged as a covid death. So you'd say well why is this? Well it turns out there's a financial payment reimbursement for covid. So there is a financial incentive to document more mortalities is covid. Now, do I believe that it's a vast conspiracy? of course not. Do I believe that the numbers are maybe not as that there's some wiggle in the numbers or that they're fuzzy? Absolutely. And another thing that actually really concerns me just personally is that mental health really isn't getting enough attention and I think that it's actually going to be a huge problem. Suicide rates in a number of areas are very very high. Your drug addiction rates are going up. Alcoholism rates are going up. Depression rates are going up. 

You know the fact that so many kids are being stuck at home and not able to go to school. That's a big problem and if you're an affluent family it's only a problem in terms of scheduling because like for example my wife and I, we have two kids and they have been at stay-at-home school for the entire year and that create that is not the most conducive environment for learning. We're fortunate to have a home where we can have a setup that's pretty easy to do school in but it's not easy to learn from your parents. You know, it's not easy to have  that lack of separation between where you're doing school and where you have your home activities. But think about how this would work for somebody who has a rough home life. I read a wonderful article from Alonzo Morning in Miami about shortly after the pandemic broke where he was talking about how when he was young the reason why he got so good at basketball...

Doug talks with Dr. Debby Thomas - The dean of the George Fox University school of business administration about the decision to hold the fall semester onsite and its associated challenges.

The objective of higher education is not only learning content. Interacting with professors and students is a critical part of creating a rounded experience that prepares students for the outside world.

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to terminal value podcast. I have Debbie Thomas from George Fox University. She's actually the dean of the school of business and we are co-Rotarians in the Newberg noon Rotary Club and what George Fox did this fall I actually thought was very courageous. They decided to hold a school on campus instead of deciding that everybody was going to go virtual. This was a stark departure from what a lot of universities have done and for me I appreciate the willingness to go against the grain. I'm a you know and in my soul I'm definitely a contrarian at heart and so I just really like to hear these stories and Debbie I'd love to just discuss what's the experience been. Like how have you made the adjustments and how did you come to the decision.

Debby: Yeah well, first of all I am the dean of the college of business and the decision was made way over my head right. So I got to implement the decision but I didn't make the decision. So I can't take any credit or blame for the decision but, I know why the decision was made and it's really that what we have to offer at George Fox University is a small private Christian University  and what we are offering in education is more than just going to class. And so it's really a life-forming experience right. There's a  life transformation that we want to be happening and that has to do with your classes and all the spiritual life types of things that happen on campus and all the activities and the sports teams and right. It is a life transforming experience and so going to zoom means oh you're going to get your classes but it's not the whole experience that George Fox is trying to put together and so it was the decision was made very carefully of course but also recognizing that we really want to be able to give people that whole transformative experience.

Doug: Yeah, I think that. So I am 100 percent in agreement with that because yeah I think that it's at least I guess you. To me it's like if you're gonna because if you're only going to learn over zoom then you might as well just watch stuff on youtube because the effect is going to be pretty much the same. Because yeah, I think the transformative effect of school has to do with the internet is the interaction with other people. It's I mean just yeah just the content you can find on the internet for free. It's the internet. It’s interaction that really makes the difference you know. That’s the thing that’s going to you know that will help people to become transformative people to develop and implement ideas to be able to influence people to  adopt the course of action. That's at least.

Debby: Yeah.

Doug: That's one of the things that I found in my career is that coming up with good ideas is not that hard. Influencing other people to implement an idea that isn't theirs is extremely hard.

Debby: Right and you know Doug one of the interesting  things is we went face to face for the very purpose of being together and experiencing things together and yet we had so many restrictions on us right.

Doug:...

Doug talks with Josh Duder - The Executive Director of the Chehalem Valley Chamber of Commerce about the importance of buying local and local entrepreneurs to a vibrant economy.

In addition, entrepreneurs have the courage to fail and the tenacity to start over until they find success. As we go through the impacts of COVID, many local entrepreneurs are figuring out how to adapt to the economic hardships brought on by the shutdown orders.

One of the ways we can all help is to prioritize shopping and dining locally so that we support the people in our community in their efforts to drive a recovery.

Another item that Doug and Josh shared in common is that they both served in the US Marine Corps concurrently at the 6th Engineer Support Battalion HQ in Portland, OR.

You can connect with Josh at: [email protected]

Doug's business specializes in partnering with companies and non-profits to create value and capture cost savings without layoffs to fund growth and strengthen financial results. 

You can find out more at www.TerminalValue.biz

You can find the audio podcast feed at www.TerminalValuePodcast.com

You can find the video podcast feed at www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5a4QbT-dXhpgb-8HJHdGg

Schedule time with Doug to talk about your business at www.MeetDoug.Biz

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[Introduction]

Welcome to the terminal value Podcast where each episode provides in depth insight about the long term value of companies and ideas in our current world. Your host for this podcast is Doug Utberg, the founder and principal consultant for Business of Life, LLC.

Doug: Welcome to the terminal value podcast. I have Josh Duder on with us and so Josh I actually share a connection that you might not know. But just by looking at us  since we're both old now but we both served in the marines. The marine corps me and the reserve Josh is a permanent personnel at a very similar time. Josh has a far more cool marine background than I do. I think I spent my whole time as a reservist and he did cool stuff like  you know fast rope insertions out of helicopters into buildings. But right now Josh is the executive director for the Shah Alam Valley Chamber of Commerce. Josh told me did I say that right.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Good, good one. It is the executive director the previous three people that were the executive position were considered the CEO and with the last turnover the board of directors wanted to make a title change just to sort of go with a culture change and that isn't it detract from the efforts of the last person but maybe it's a it's an effort to re-engage with the board.

Doug: Yeah.

Josh: And encourage them to feel enfranchised.

Doug: Gotcha, gotcha. Well so one of the things that Josh and I would like to talk about today because of course I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce also one of the chamber ambassadors but what Josh and I would like to talk about is just the importance of local business, the local economy and local entrepreneurs. You know one of the things that I’m an art believer in is that reality happens locally. I know that whenever, If you go on Facebook or any of the other news sites you're going to see national global whatever. If you're in the state of Oregon like we are you'll see stuff from the governor's office all the time...