Today's episode features interviews with two people who've given a lot of thought to capitalism's role in modern society. First, Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks with NPR's Steve Inskeep about his new book, It's OK to be Angry About Capitalism, and how he views the way politicians appeal to the working class – oftentimes, he says, without addressing the root of the problems they're facing. Then, NPR's Michel Martin talks to author Malcolm Harris about his new book, Palo Alto, which details the origins of the California city, the birth of Silicon Valley and the power that's concentrated in the industries that are based there.

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