Art Bell opens the program with Jose Escamilla to examine new photographic evidence challenging the existence of rods, the mysterious elongated objects Jose has filmed for years. A website called UFO Theater presents compelling images suggesting rods may be insects captured at low shutter speeds, and Jose concedes the evidence is "pretty damning" while defending his high-shutter-speed protocol results. In the second half, Art welcomes abduction researchers Bud Hopkins and Dr. David Jacobs for a… Full show notes & guests: https://artbellarchive.org/episode/september-27-2003-ufos-and-alien-abductions-david-jacobs