Shaggin' Flies

Shaggin' Flies

By Ben Palmer, Zach HayesSportsBaseball
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Shaggin' Flies episodes

  • SF 12 - Justin Choi Is A Lot Cooler At 20 Than Most Of Us Were
    * 0:00 – I remembered to hit record the first time this week! All the note times are like 45 seconds behind but whatever.
    * 1:00 – WashU! Great school!
    * 4:00 – A bit of history about Justin's life
    * 7:00 – Seoul is big
    * 9:30 – Aspects of the KBO/in defense of singles
    * 14:00 – The strikeout/homer debate, part 3579767
    * 18:00 – The difference between analyzing hitters and pitchers
    * 21:45 – Hitting is like dieting (but on the metric system)
    * 24:00 – Corey Seager panned out a lot better than either Matt Wieters or Gordon Beckham
    * 27:45 – Shoutout Matt Hobgood
    * 31:00 – Following the chain of analytics
    * 35:00 – Danny Santana, baby
    * 38:15 – Houses of the Holy as Justin's favorite Zeppelin album
    * 44:15 – Killer Mike isn't enough of a communist for Zach
    * 49:30 – The Gray Album got Ben into hip-hop
    * 52:30 – Can't Fake The Funk!
    * 54:30 – Why baseball?
    * 55:00 – Why? Baseball is weird!!!
    * 58:00 – More on the KBO and stadiums
    * 1:03:30 – Men smashing heads
    * 1:07:30 – Ben revisits smoked meat at KBO games
    * 1:08:45 – Professional owners lobbied to have no-peddling ordinances passed outside their publicly funded stadiums, forcing local economies to shut down, banning them from public space, and forcing people to buy overpriced food inside the stadium
    * 1:10:45 – The weekly Michael Ajeto appearance
    * 1:12:30 – On pumping out articles twice a week
    * 1:14:15 – Shoutout Adrian Houser
    * 1:17:15 – Order of Operations Trifecta
    * 1:20:00 – Ben learns Justin's age and is SHOCKED
    * 1:21:00 – Zach and Ben reflect on what they were doing at the life stage where Justin is writing for Fangraphs
    * 1:23:30 – Ben chooses violence by relitigating the Chicago hot dog
    * 1:25:15 – Competitive skiing (and the potential for fantasy skiing)
    * 1:29:00 – Justin needs baseball movie recommendations
    * 1:33:45 – Perfect Game
    * 1:36:45 – Who discovered music?
    * 1:39:15 – We heart unexplained noises!
    * 1:40:30 – Budapest or Bangladesh?
    * 1:42:30 – Teleportation would be cool
    * 1:44:30 – Don't use a nonstick pan
    * 1:45:30 – The Full Count!
    * Justin's Book Recommendation – Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9516.Persepolis]
    * Justin's Food Recommendation – Kimchi
    * Justin's Movies/TV Recommendation – Monty Python and the Holy Grail [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/]
    * Justin's Music Recommendation – Voicenotes by Charlie Puth [https://open.spotify.com/album/0mZIUXje90JtHxPNzWsJNR]
    * Justin's Miscellaneous Recommendation – Read other people's work! [https://www.ox.ac.uk/students/academic/guidance/skills/plagiarism#:~:text=Plagiarism%20is%20presenting%20someone%20else's,is%20covered%20under%20this%20definition.]
     
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    1 hr 59 min
  • SF 11 - Bradford William Davis Talks Baseball, New York, Great Editors, and the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man Trilogy
    The title says it all—this week, Ben and Zach are joined by Insider investigations writer and former New York Daily News baseball columnist Bradford William Davis, who took the time to talk about everything from Queens to DC and back. Check out the timestamps for some details, or hints, depending on how you take them:
    * 2:30 - Forest Hills, Queens; Tennis and Peter Parker
    * 7:15 - Simon and Garfunkel went to high school with Peter Parker
    * 8 - Defending the Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire Spider-Mans (1 and 2, at least) from the zoomers
    * 11 - Stop the TikTokking!
    * 17:15 - Missing comedy in New York City
    * 18:30 - Cities are cool!
    * 22:15 - There are no skyscrapers in DC!
    * 24:45 - Private police forces are evil [https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2020/6/18/time-dismantle-ucpd/]
    * 26:00 - The road from Baruch College to baseball writing
    * 33:00 - Getting paid late is indeed a bit of a red flag when it comes to employers
    * 35:15 - Bradford on working for HBO and making his way to the Daily News
    * 37:45 - Editors are awesome, editors are the best. 
    * 44:30 - How it can be helpful to not have one's identity wrapped up in their professional career, and going against the grain of major media norms.
    * 48:15 - They did indeed Thanos (verb) the New York Daily News
    * 51:45 - Shouts to the non-baseball people holding us down as we scream our heads off in this ridiculous industry
    * 55 - Why baseball? The chill! And the excitement!
    * 1:01:45 - Roger Clemens' competitive fire
    * 1:05:30 - Trevor Bauer is neither unathletic nor inspirational 
    * 1:09:15 - Can anybody confirm that Greg Maddux believes climate change is real?
    * 1:14:00 - On individualism and its problems as reflected in sports media
    * 1:18:00 - Aaron Judge and Yankees fandom (being dumb sometimes)
    * 1:30:00 - Order of Operations Trifecta!
    * 1:30:30 - Ben's dog joins the show momentarily
    * 1:37:15 - Does seeing people catch the Holy Spirit count as seeing a ghost?
    * 1:41:00 - Cookie Cancelled: Cookie Monster Under Fire Following 2013 Tweets
    * 1:44:00 - 5Eva, the TV Show
    * 1:50 - The Full Count!
    * Bradford's Book Recommendation: The Warmth of Other Suns [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30910362678&searchurl=an%3Dwilkerson%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dwarmth%2Bother%2Bsuns&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2]by Isabel Wilkerson
    * Bradford's Food Recommendation: Birria Tacos (Appearance Number Two//shoutout Janice)!
    * Bradford's Movies/TV Recommendation: Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061184/]
    * Bradford's Music Recommendation: WILLOW [https://open.spotify.com/artist/3rWZHrfrsPBxVy692yAIxF]
    * Bradford's Miscellaneous Recommendation: Trader Joes Coffee Ice Cream; Koval Bourbon; MF DOOM
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    2 hr 12 min
  • SF 10 - Deep Cuts I: Best of Episodes 1-7
    Ben and Zach are on a break this week, so we're delivering you a selection of some of the best moments from the first seven editions of Shaggin' Flies, featuring six of our friends from all around the baseball internet. Our pods run pretty long—if you're reading this, you know—so there are a lot of cool little nuggets near the back of these conversations that deserve some more air time. Guests include, respectively: Alex Fast (2:30), Chris Paul Towers (9:35), Michael Ajeto (20:30), Janice Scurio (40:45), and Sung Min Kim (1:14:14).
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    1 hr 34 min
  • SF 9 - Scott Chu Loves Curling, Hates Malört, and is Lukewarm on Pavin Smith

    Shaggin' Flies is joined this week by Scott Chu (@ifthechufits), Pitcher List writer and manager and czar of the phenomenon knows as Fantasy Curling. Scott was such a horrid, difficult, uncompelling guest that we just HAD to talk with him for three whole hours, so I'll let the notes do the rest of the talking:

    • 0:01 – The show is thrown for a loop from second number one as we are confronted by the visage of a non-mustachioed Scott Chu
    • 0:03 – Naturally, the first all-cis-male-identified episode of Shaggin’ Flies in three weeks spends the first six minutes talking about facial hair
    • 0:08 – Scott and Ben on deriving just the slightest pleasure from playfully annoying their spouses (to Zach’s befuddlement)
    • 0:10 – Oh yeah, the introduction. #GingerBalance
    • 0:12 – The joys of Southwest Michigan, and giving out Moderna at the Pfizer factory
    • 0:14 – Freud would have something to say about how close we all are to our parents
    • 0:16 – The regional accents of the Upper Midwest, some of which are close but not quite to Canadian.
    • 0:20 – The teenage Michigander tradition of trekking to (and ruining) Windsor, Ontario gets Scott into trouble with immigration officials
    • 0:23 – How the federal government got Wisconsin to raise their drinking age
    • 0:26 – How to properly order a burger at a 24-hour diner (hint: not medium-rare)
    • 0:29 – Scott dives deep into the fascinating minutiae of American Sign Language
    • 0:33 – Turns out ASL also has TONS of problematic language (or, “if it was invented by white people in the 1800s, it’s probably racist”)
    • 0:37 – The surprising degree to which our cognition and modes of thinking and being are directed by the ability to hear.
    • 0:43 – Sign language has no tenses and minimal grammar, and Zach gets way overly optimistic about language learning as a route to increasing empathy
    • 0:48 – Pidgin sign and a way cooler way to refer to Kalamazoo, Michigan
    • 0:53 – Ben dubs us (accurately) the Seinfeld of baseball podcasts
    • 0:54 – One of us has graced the cover of the Wall Street Journal and it’s not Ben or Zach
    • 0:55 – What is Fantasy Curling and how did it get Scott Chu in the WSJ?
    • 1:02 – Fantasy Congress and Fantasy Supreme Court are (or were) a thing, apparently.
    • 1:06 – Curling as Canadian Golf
    • 1:09 – The idea of Fantasy Congress is complicated by the dysfunctional-at-best nature of the American government
    • 1:12 – Oberon and Leinenkugels, legends of the Midwest
    • 1:13-1:20 – How Eno Put Zach Onto Hazy IPAs Which Are Kind Of Like Sours But Not Really (Either Way Ben Hates Both Of Them And It’s All Because Of Warheads) (As In Candy, Not A Nuclear Device)
    • 1:21 – Two things that are close to water
    • 1:22 – Pregaming a Motion City Soundtrack show
    • 1:24 – Malört and other wraths of Chicago
    • 1:29 – Jesus getting sponge-fed wine while up on the cross is an objectively funny image
    • 1:32 – BRING ME TWO HUNDRED PHILISTINE FORESKINS
    • 1:37 – Why baseball? Sunburn!
    • 1:41 – The fun of writing the Batter’s Box segment, and Ben’s request for information about Philip Evans is denied, because we’re not a baseball podcast or anything.
    • 1:43 – “You’re a hack!” “Duh!”
    • 1:46 – Scott spends two minutes giving a well-reasoned analysis of Pavin Smith, because it is a baseball podcast.
    • 1:51 – The official position of Shaggin’ Flies: Baseball Is Good!
    • 1:53 – Scott details his time working for the Fair Housing Association, all the terrible acts of racism, ableism, and discrimination one encounters in that line of work, and therefore being perfectly okay with bringing politics into sports.
    • 2:00 – Being buried in the news? Not great for mental health!
    • 2:02 – Tiger Stadium and the ~plethora~ of Memorial Stadia
    • 2:05 – The GM building flips the bird to Canada, in true ‘Murican fashion
    • 2:05 – Scott and Zach bond over hatreds of Indiana drivers
    • 2:08 – Gigantic burgers at Fifth Third Park make Zach and Ben lose their math for a sec
    • 2:11 – Order of Operations Trifecta
    • 2:15 – Scott and Ben on arguing with their kids about personal hygiene
    • 2:20 – Ben Palmer resembles Matt Stafford (and Zach’s cat makes her appearance)
    • 2:24 – Even in Scotland they hate gingers
    • 2:27 – Homer at the Bat
    • 2:31 – Bob Costas in Baseketball
    • 2:36 – Just some white guy BS, huh
    • 2:40 – Almost made it to the end before the weekly Michael Ajeto mention!
    • 2:44 – Shoutout to Ben’s brother Greg, with reference to the boiling hot dog water incident
    • 2:50 – The Full Count
      • Scott’s Book Recommendation: Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
      • Scott’s Food Recommendation: Bulgogi or Bibimbap
      • Scott’s Movies/TV Recommendation: Bob’s Burgers
      • Scott’s Music Recommendation: Linkin Park (Hybrid Theory)
      • Scott’s Miscellaneous Recommendation: Dove Hand Sanitizer

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        3 hr 8 min
      • SF 8 - Chelsea Ladd Loves High School Sports (and The Bell Jar)
        Shaggin' Flies is joined this third week of April 2021 by Dugout Dish founder and Paducah Sun sports reporter Chelsea Ladd (@chelseabrooke), who was kind enough to chat with us about everything from career choices to covid to crying to high school baseball to the minors to the majors to LSU to the Brewers and Mets and Dodgers and Mike Piazza and moonshine and TONS of other stuff you'll find in the notes below!
        * :02 - Chelsea has a new job!
        * :03 - Opening thoughts: knowing clicks on the internet is BAD
        * :05 – Leaving the medical field and relatable COVID unemployment struggles
        * :10 – The weekly Michael Ajeto name drop
        * :11 – How dugout dish came to be
        * :15 – Crying and being weepy is good
        * :17 – Ben cries at **
        * :19 – Zach cries at ****** ********
        * :22 – Being a full-time sports reporter!
        * :25 – What's great about high school sports
        * :32 – The Evansville Otters and the wonderful accessibility of minor and independent league baseball
        * :39 – Freshman pitchers doing cool stuff
        * :44 – Good outdoors-y stuff to do in Kentucky
        * :50 – Chelsea's laptop almost dies on us but doesn't
        * :51 – Triple Play Baseball 2001 = 🐐
        * :53 – Hall of Fame Pitcher Jason Grimsley (and the rest of the Mitchell Report)
        * :59 – Do YOU have the Jose Bautista follow on Twitter?
        * 1:02 – Why baseball?
        * 1:04 – Shoutout to Magglio Ordoñez
        * 1:09 – Best baseball parks, minor leagues and otherwise
        * 1:13 – The choo choo train of thought goes completely off the railes
        * 1:17 – Moonshine!
        * 1:22 – The Brewers take a 1-0 lead
        * 1:24 – Ben rants at a frozen screen about the Dodgers for roughly 45 seconds, unknowingly
        * 1:26 – Order of operations trifecta!
        * 1:29 – Two straight weeks with a big emphasis on dental hygiene
        * 1:31 – Fascinating people such as Sylvia Plath and Zelda Fitzgerald
        * 1:32 – The Bad News Bears aged REALLY badly
        * 1:36 – Sky High is a great movie
        * 1:43 – Chelsea saw a ghost! Shaggin' Flies 1, Guests 6
        * 1:48 – Babies farting at weddings
        * 1:50 – The Full Count!
        * Chelsea's Book Recommendation: The Betrayal [https://bookshop.org/books/the-betrayal-the-1919-world-series-and-the-birth-of-modern-baseball/9780190679187] by Charles Fountain
        * Chelsea's Food Recommendation: Vodka Sauce
        * Chelsea's Movies/TV Recommendation: The Final Season [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449018/]
        * Chelsea's Music Recommendation: Joy Division [https://open.spotify.com/artist/432R46LaYsJZV2Gmc4jUV5]
        * Chelsea's Miscellaneous Recommendation: Sunrises over the Water
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        2 hr 6 min
      • SF 7 - Sung Min Kim is Very Thoughtful about MLB as Opera, KBO as Rock Concert, Tinder, and the University of Maryland
        This lovely spring week of April 15th, Shaggin' Flies is joined from Seoul, South Korea by Sung Min Kim, brilliant baseball mind, former Lotte Giants front office member, and journalist whose work has appeared at Deadspin, The Washington Post, FanGraphs, and The Athletic for a two-and-a-half hour journey meandering from life in Korea and the United States, the (sometimes) guilty pleasure of intoxicated McDonalds, his forthcoming MS in Sports Business, and of course, his body of work across American and Korean baseball. Enjoy!
        * 0:03 - Glee watch parties
        * 0:05 - In defense of the Squier guitar
        * 0:08 - American school lunch
        * 0:10 - US portion sizes; getting in trouble at Chipotle
        * 0:13 - Baseball in and around Seoul, South Korea
        * 0:18 - Tales from the University of Maryland, College Park, heavily featuring but not limited to Ratsie's Pizza [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/why-we-should-care-whena-greasy-college-pizza-place-closes/2015/02/17/a2b3d7fa-b144-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html] and the McDonalds across from the UV apartments
        * 0:23 - Craving fish filets
        * 0:28 - Shaggin' Flies does not condone Breaking & Entering (but make it cool if you do)
        * 0:33 - Permission to curse, but not at Chicagoland high school basketball legend Jon Scheyer
        * 0:36 - It should be acceptable for players to call fans down from the stands and challenge them to fight if they talk too much ****
        * 0:41 - Cromulent, my favorite word
        * 0:45 - Making the most of the good ol' Journalism degree
        * 0:50 - Pitching mechanics geek-out, featuring Paul Nyman and Ben Brewster
        * 0:53 - RIP Deadspin
        * 0:55 - American influence on KBO organizations
        * 1:00 - The unveiling of spin rate 🤯
        * 1:02 - MLB as opera, KBO as rock concert (take that as you will)
        * 1:04 - Joey Votto hits a TANK [https://www.mlb.com/video/joey-votto-homers-1-on-a-fly-ball-to-right-field] live on air
        * 1:11 - Identifying American players to bring to the KBO
        * 1:16 - Weekly howling cat appearance
        * 1:17 - Yo, Adrian
        * 1:19 - The Big Question: Why Baseball???
        * 1:26 - On Mark Teixeira and Regional Pain
        * 1:31 - Boog's BBQ (delicious) and OLD BAY IN BEER YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT NO IT WAS NOT MY IDEA (-zach)
        * 1:36 - The Order of Operations Trifecta!
        * 1:42 - Definitely don't underrate dental hygiene
        * 1:44 - The Washington Football Squadron
        * 1:47 - Hines Ward is cool
        * 1:58 - Sung Min can't explain how he got a prom date
        * 2:01 - A healthy weight loss journey
        * 2:05 - Freedom, baby
        * 2:06 - Thankfulness for societies with the tiniest shred of collective compassion
        * 2:11 - The Full Count! 
        * Sung Min's Book Recommendation: Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes [https://bookshop.org/books/flowers-for-algernon/9780156030083]
        * Sung Min's Movies/TV Recommendations: Love Letter (1995); That Chapter [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL44k-cLrlsdr7PYuMU4yIw]
        * Sung Min's Music Recommendation: Mr. Twin Sister [https://open.spotify.com/artist/5ltJZgIW3OkY5WvuzX5MYz]
        * Sung Min's Food Recommendation: Five Guys
        * Sung Min's Miscellaneous Recommendation: Tinder (but not necessarily for dating!)
        * 2:27 - And, finally, why hair metal killed the music video
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        2 hr 38 min
      • SF 6 - The Comfort of Numbers and Pedro Martinez with Shelly Verougstraete
        This week, Ben and Zach are joined by the one and only Shelly Verougstraete (ShellyV_643) of Pitcher List, Dynasty Guru, and Over the Monster for big ol' conversation that starts with the silent letters in her last name and winds up at the show's second reference to Churro Cinnamon Toast Crunch, with a few asides about Fenway, ghost hunting, the joy of prospecting, and the occupationally-inspired names of small towns in Virginia ending in -ville. Enjoy!
        * 0:01 - The heartbreak of being an Orioles fan, part 823
        * 0:03 - Mechanicsville, Virginia
        * 0:06 - Political yard signs and their theft
        * 0:08 - Ben sees a ghost live on air
        * 0:10 - Trivia completely unrelated to this podcast (but relating to Lil Nas X)
        * 0:14 - Shelly teaches Ben to pronounce her last name, and Ben explains the structure of the Belgian government
        * 0:19 - Farmville, Virginia (and all the other villes)
        * 0:26 - Life as a CPA (or not)
        * 0:32 - The joy of baked goods and Zach's howling cat
        * 0:35 - Making peanut butter cookies with ketchup?
        * 0:42 - Shelly y sus dos perros, y porqué sus nombres son Orsillo y Soto
        * 0:48 - Pedro Martinez and Red Sox Fandom
        * 0:56 - Why baseball!? (Feat. howling cat appearance number two)
        * 1:00 - "Who do you think you are? I am!" -Pete Weber
        * 1:10 - On the joy of prospects, writing about prospects, being knowledgeable about prospects, and getting to see as much baseball as possible
        * 1:15 - Zach learns about the Orlando Arcia trade
        * 1:20 - Dr. Sticks tears up the minors
        * 1:23 - Order of Operations Trifecta!
        * 1:26 - Cereal milk and Cinnamon Toast Crunch cake (no shrimp involved)
        * 1:32 - Ben and Shelly mercilessly slander The Sandlot for potentially very valid reasons
        * 1:40 - The abominations known as the sequels to Major League
        * 1:42 - Skydiving Elvises
        * 1:45 - Ghost hunting as the sober friend
        * 1:50 - The virtues of a good "that's what she said" joke
        * 1:52 - The Full Count! 
        * Shelly's Book Recommendation: Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present by Ruth Ben-Ghiat [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/strongmen-mussolini-to-the-present_ruth-ben-ghiat/28072576/?resultid=22186bce-03ab-4fb0-9c78-2eb78c4a359e#edition=34196206&idiq=42538354]
        * Shelly's Movies/TV Recommendations: The Great British Baking Show [https://www.pbs.org/food/shows/great-british-baking-show/]/Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338013/]
        * Shelly's Music Recommendation: Fantasies [https://open.spotify.com/album/3Oj8FdHcV6kAiOVWfkqRaA] by Metric
        * Shelly's Food Recommendation: Noodle Man [http://www.noodlemanva.com/menu/] (location: Virginia Beach)
        * Shelly's Miscellaneous Recommendation: Baking!
        * 2:02 - As is customary, all seven of our listeners are thanked :) we appreciate y'all! 
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        2 hr 4 min
      • SF 5 - Janice Scurio on Power Tools, Peloton, and the Adley Rutschman Multiverse
        Ben and Zach talk to Janice Scurio (@scuriiosa) of Baseball Prospectus and NBC Sports Edge for a good long talk about her work as a librarian, entering the baseball writing world, covering the White Sox (and a no-hitter!) in a pandemic, and many things Chicago-related and otherwise. The following times are approximate but they'll get you in the general vicinity:
        * 0:03 - The support group for wealthy people
        * 0:06 - The Dewey [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification] Decimal [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvil_Dewey#Controversies] System
        * 0:10 - When being a librarian involves power tools
        * 0:18 - Working Plato's Apologia into a Baltimore Orioles season preview
        * 0:29 - Zach confuses Chris Davis, Khris Davis, and Crash Davis
        * 0:38 - Michael Ajeto is mentioned for the third time in four weeks
        * 0:40 - North Side Sox [https://twitter.com/northsidesoxpod?lang=en] plug!
        * 0:50 - Cloud Gate, a.k.a. The Bean
        * 0:55 - Bodies in Lincoln Park
        * 0:58 - Birria tacos and Chicago dogs
        * 1:08 - Yes, the James Shields trade happened
        * 1:20 - Growing up with the problematic Hawk Harrelson
        * 1:26 - Asbestos lawsuit money 
        * 1:32 - Scrapbooking Roberto Alomar
        * 1:35 - Weekly perfect game/30-3 loss appearance
        * [redacted]
        * 2:00 - Oh, we know.
        * 2:05 - The difference between gyro and hero
        * 2:15 - Aliens!
        * 2:17 - Tyler Glasnow and his hair products
        * 2:27 - Appreciation for deez nuts jokes
        * 2:30 - The Full Count!
        Janice's Book Recommendation: The Son of Good Fortune [https://bookshop.org/books/the-son-of-good-fortune-9780062059598/9780062059574]
        Janice's Food Recommendation: Pita Inn [https://www.pita-inn.com/]
        Janice's Movies/TV Recommendation: Lupin [https://www.netflix.com/title/80994082]
        Janice's Music Recommendation: SOPHIE [https://open.spotify.com/artist/5a2w2tgpLwv26BYJf2qYwu]
        Janice's Miscellaneous Recommendation: Peloton
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        2 hr 47 min
      • SF 4 - Michael Ajeto Explains The Brain
        Ben and Zach are joined by Michael Ajeto (@dysthymikey), Pitcher List and Lookout Landing contributor and counselor extraordinaire, for a lengthy conversation that begins with 45 minutes of mental health talk (with a content warning regarding suicidal ideation and other symptoms) before meandering everywhere from our own names to the depths of our own brains. Anyway, some other highlights include:
        * 0:00 - Our many names 
        * 0:15 - Growing up in the Pacific Northwest
        * 0:25 - On psychology, mental health and Michael's thought-provoking medium post [https://mikeyajeto.medium.com/on-feeling-and-not-feeling-542bce3a64]
        * 0:40 - Ben notes our lack of a time limit as Michael explains the amygdala
        * 1:08 - We finally start talking about baseball
        * 1:12 - The 2001 Mariners were super cool
        * 1:20 - All thirty of our remaining listeners receive a hearty thank you
        * 1:22 - Certain things that are legal in Washington and Illinois...
        * 1:25 - ...that might have made Michael call the cops on himself
        * 1:40 - Socks before pants, and Zach's apparent difficulty drying his feet
        * 1:52 - Michael explains why Friends sucks
        * 2:05 - Seeing ghosts!
        * 2:12 - Ranking Nirvana albums
        * 2:20 - Why Speedin' Bullet 2 Heaven is a Kid Cudi favorite
        Michael's Music Recommendation [https://open.spotify.com/album/2n77XMw9CC8q5aj6EX4PeF?si=cG75eWsLRXyNNzI3wnTThA&nd=1]
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        2 hr 50 min
      • March 4th, 2021 - Chris Towers on Wilco, Mofongo, and the 2003 Marlins
        CBS Sports and CBS Fantasy analyst Chris Paul Towers (@CTowersCBS) joins Ben and Zach for a long and winding road of a discussion that includes pop funkos, living in South Florida, being in the Miami Herald print room during Osama bin Laden's capture, covering Isiah Thomas's ill-fated coaching run at FIU, why Paul McCartney and London Calling reign supreme, and finally, in a direct rebuke of Episode 1 guest Alex Fast, why Flea is an overrated bassist. Enjoy!
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        1 hr 45 min

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