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SHED SESSION: Seven Must-Read Books That You May Not Know About

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  Celene Hawkins is the Colorado River Tribal Water Partnerships Program Director for the Nature Conservancy, and Izabella Ruffino is the Tribal and Indigenous Engagement Program Manager for the Colorado Chapter of the Nature Conservancy. Both Celene and Izabella use their skills to advance and support tribal-led land and water conservation work throughout the American West.   -   Most of Celene’s work is centered around the Colorado River Basin, and she has played an integral role in many cutting-edge water conservation projects that have sought out Tribal voices and Indigenous perspectives to create some of the West’s most effective and equitable solutions to complex water challenges. Perhaps most notably, she worked with the Jicarilla Apache Nation, the New Mexico Interstate Stream Commission, and her colleagues at TNC to create a first-of-its-kind water agreement that was a true win-win for nature and people.   -   Izabella’s work builds on TNC’s strong foundation of partnerships with Tribal Nations for land and water issues, and she is also focused on expanding Tribal and Indigenous engagement into all aspects of TNC’s wide-ranging conservation work. Additionally, she is responsible for internal efforts to fortify organizational cultural awareness and humility within TNC’s Colorado Chapter. As you’ll hear, Izabella is doing everything from leading internal educational initiatives to working with wide-ranging stakeholder groups on projects such as determining the best uses for TNC-owned land and preserves.   -   In this episode, we dig into the details of many of their specific projects and initiatives, but we also talk more broadly about the importance of seeking out Indigenous perspectives to help guide TNC’s critical conservation work around the world. They both offer plentiful resources– online courses, books, podcasts, essays, and more– that will help me (and you, the listener!) better understand the importance of bringing together diverse perspectives to guide the next chapter of conversation work in the West and beyond.   -   Celene and Izabella mention so many excellent books, people, and resources, so don’t forget to check out the episode notes for links to everything. A big thanks to them both for such a fun, inspiring, and educational conversation. I hope you enjoy!   ---   Celene Hawkins  Izabella Ruffino    A Win-Win-Win Solution for the Colorado River   Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/celene-izabella/    --- This episode is brought to you in partnership with the Colorado chapter of The Nature Conservancy and TNC chapters throughout the Western United States. Guided by science and grounded by decades of collaborative partnerships, The Nature Conservancy has a long-standing legacy of achieving lasting results to create a world where nature and people thrive.   On the last Tuesday of every month throughout 2024, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancy’s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond.   To learn more about The Nature Conservancy’s impactful work in the West and around the world, visit www.nature.org ---  TOPICS DISCUSSED:   3:30 - Introductions   8:30 - The win-win partnership between the Jicarilla Apache Nation, the New Mexico Interstate Stream Commission, and TNC   14:00- Challenges and opportunities related to putting together the partnership deal   19:00 - Benefits to all parties as a result of the deal   21:30 - Positive ripple effects resulting from the partnership   24:15 - TNC’s strategies for managing its preserves, including the Medano Zapata Ranch   29:15- The process of gathering Indigenous and local perspectives   32:00 - Strategies, tactics, and frameworks for building cross-cultural relationships   36:30 - Balancing the time it takes to build solid relationships with the reality that “time is of the essence”   40:30 - Upcoming exciting projects   44:30 - Resources for further learning   50:30 - Why they each chose to apply their talents, skills, and careers to the cause of conservation   55:30 - Heroes and mentors   1:05:00 - Favorite books   1:11:00 - Parting words of wisdom   --- ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE:  Mountain & Prairie - All Episodes Mountain & Prairie Shop Mountain & Prairie on Instagram Upcoming Events About Ed Roberson Support Mountain & Prairie Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts 

Celene Hawkins & Izabella Ruffino - Tribal Partnerships, Indigenous Voices, Cutting-Edge Conservation

 Kristine Tompkins is an iconic conservationist, the president and co-founder of Tompkins Conservation, and the former CEO of Patagonia. For three decades, she has committed to protecting and restoring wild beauty and biodiversity by creating national parks, restoring wildlife, inspiring activism, and fostering economic vitality through conservation. - Kristine and her late husband Douglas Tompkins have protected approximately 14.8 million acres of parklands in Chile and Argentina through Tompkins Conservation and its partners, making them among the most successful national park-oriented philanthropists in history. To give you a frame of reference for exactly how much land 14.8 million acres is, Yellowstone National Park is just over 2.2 million acres– so the scale and scope of Tompkins Conservation’s impact is truly mind-blowing. - Kristine’s amazing life story was beautifully told in the 2023 feature-length documentary Wild Life, which I highly recommend and can be streamed on Disney+. She was also awarded the Carnegie Medal of Philanthropy, and she recently gave her second TED talk, which will be released in the coming weeks. She’s been featured by pretty much every media outlet you could imagine, so I was honored that she took time out of her very full schedule to chat with me. - Tompkins Conservation has published multiple books about its groundbreaking conservation work in South America. The most recent book is titled Patagonia National Park Chile, which tells the story of the park’s transformation from a former sheep ranch into one of the crown jewels of Chile’s National Park system. Featuring stunning photography by Linde Waidhofer and essays by Kristine, the former President of Chile Michelle Bachelet, Yvon Chouinard, and many others, the coffee-table style book is equal parts inspiring and educational. It’s the kind of book that you’d proudly display on your shelf and find yourself revisiting for years to come. - I met up with Kristine at her California home, and we had a fun and fascinating conversation about everything from the book to leadership to the growth and evolution of Tompkins Conservation. We discussed optimism and pessimism, the difference between contentment and happiness, the importance of having a relentless work ethic, living an extreme life, and operating as if you have nothing to lose. We also talked in detail about the challenges of creating Patagonia National Park, balancing rewilding efforts with the need for economic vitality, and how the conservation lessons learned in South America can be applied to conservation efforts here in the American West. There are even a few brief appearances by her two very sweet pups who sat with us during our conversation, so all of you dog lovers will surely enjoy hearing from them. - Patagonia National Park Chile is available right now at  Patagonia.com and available for pre-order wherever you get your books. Follow the links in the episode notes to learn more. ---  Tompkins Conservation NEW BOOK: Patagonia National Park Chile Rewilding Chile Rewilding Argentina      Wild Life Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/kristine-tompkins/  --- TOPICS DISCUSSED:   3:40 - Why Kris keeps coming back to books   7:30 - Who is Arnie Næss   13:45 - Discussing leadership, giving credit, and other behaviors key to Kris’s success   18:40 - Happiness vs contentment   21:30 - Discussing Valle Chacabuco   25:45 - Establishing local buy-in as a conservation entity not local to Chile   30:30 - How the Tompkins managed livestock on the Valle Chacabuco   32:15 - The speed at which settlers spread to Chile   34:15 - Whether Kris is an optimist or pessimist    36:00 - Who in the new generation gives Kris hope, and what Kris thinks about “hope”   40:45 - Kris’s view on taking action   44:30 - How Kris prioritizes her efforts   49:45 - What Kris has learned in South America that is applicable to the North American West   52:15 - Business’s impact on Kris and Doug’s conservation work ethic   53:45 - Kris’s favorite failure and lessons learned   59:45 - Kris’s life of extremes and passion for service   1:05:45 - Kris’s book recommendations   1:15:45 - The land trust movement in the US, and the American grasslands   ---  

Kristine Tompkins – Nothing to Lose

 Logan Maxwell Hagege  is an Ojai, CA-based contemporary artist with modern visions of the American West. Logan is no stranger to longtime Mountain & Prairie listeners—he first joined me on the podcast back in 2019, and he made another appearance in 2022 alongside several other renowned Western artists in an episode recorded live at Maxwell Alexander Gallery’s 10-year anniversary exhibition. In this episode, I reconnected with Logan at his Ojai studio, and we caught up on a long list of fascinating topics, including his upcoming exhibition at the Gerald Peters Gallery in New York City titled   Flowers Will Grow.   -   Since our first podcast conversation, Logan’s artistic career has continued to skyrocket, and his work has earned the acclaim of a growing number of collectors, critics, and journalists. Most recently, his painting titled “Time and Space” won Best in Show at the Autry’s Masters of the American West show. He’s also been featured in all corners of the Western art world, including a recent spread in Western Art and Architecture and collaborations with well-known brands such as Stetson and Pendleton. But perhaps most impressively, he’s accomplished all of this success while being a deeply committed husband and father of two young children.   -   As you’ll hear in this conversation, Logan works extremely hard and is fully committed to exploring new realms of his artistic interests, but he brings balance and calmness to what could easily become an all-consuming obsession. I caught Logan just as he was wrapping up all the final details for his upcoming show, and we had a fun discussion about a wide range of topics, including: The intensity of preparing for a show, accepting the judgment that comes with showing art, his practice of constant doodling, how living in Ojai has changed his approach, the importance of self-talk, Georgia O’Keefe, the idea that perfection is boring, the need for action, and much more. Check out the episode notes for a full list of topics discussed and links to everything.   -   And if you happen to be in New York, the  Flowers Will Grow  exhibition will open with a reception with Logan on Thursday evening, April 18, 2024, and will be on display through May 23rd. There’s a link in the episode notes with all of that information.   -   A huge thanks to Logan for letting me barge into his studio during such a busy time and a huge thanks to you for listening. Enjoy!   ---    Logan Maxwell Hagege  Logan on Instagram    Flowers Will Grow at the Gerald Peters Gallery NYC  Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/lmh-2/   ---  TOPICS DISCUSSED:   2:45 - What the hell is happening in Logan’s studio, and his upcoming show in New York   5:15 - Why Logan is working with a gallery outside of the Maxwell-Alexander Gallery   7:30 - Whether Logan was nervous the last time he showed his art in New York   9:00 - The impact of being able to show more examples of an artist’s work   11:15 - How periods of intensity and external pressure have shaped Logan’s work   12:45 - How Logan’s art has changed since his 2018 show   14:30 - What a Logan’s process looks like when there isn’t external pressure from deadlines   17:45 - Logan’s doodling process   19:45 - The need for action   23:30 - How Logan deals with the fact that unique art will be judged   27:45 - Discussing perfection and how boring it is   28:45 - Who Logan admires   31:15 - Discussing Georgia O’Keefe   32:45 - Discussing Logan’s life in Ojai   40:00 - The importance of retreat for Logan’s art   42:00 - The impact of self-talk   44:30 - Discussing the new gallery   47:45 - Logan’s book and artist recommendations      --- ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE:  Mountain & Prairie - All Episodes Mountain & Prairie Shop Mountain & Prairie on Instagram Upcoming Events About Ed Roberson Support Mountain & Prairie Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts 

Logan Maxwell Hagege Returns - On Taking Action & Finding Balance

  Dr. Emily Howe is an aquatic ecologist with the Washington state chapter of The Nature Conservancy, and she holds a Ph.D. from the School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences at the University of Washington. Her work integrates across ecosystem boundaries, investigating how landscape configuration and management shape cross-boundary relationships for food webs, organisms, and ecosystem processes.   -   At the Nature Conservancy, Emily’s projects stretch from the high peaks of the North Cascades all the way down to the estuary of Port Susan Bay, and her work highlights the interconnectedness of everything from snowpack to salmon populations, forest management to marsh grass health. Much of Emily’s work focuses on understanding liminal spaces– areas in nature where boundaries blend together and where the interactions between ecosystems can be fluid and dynamic.   -   Since the earliest days of European settlement, this area has been subject to a wide variety of threats to the overall ecosystem—aggressive logging, wildfire suppression, attempts to engineer order into the ever-changing estuaries, and more. And with the intensification of climate change, snowfall and its resulting snowpack have decreased, which only exacerbates the negative effects and threats to the ecosystem.   -   But thanks to Emily and her team of stakeholders and partners, there are many, many reasons to be optimistic about the future. Combining cutting-edge science with Indigenous knowledge, Emily and TNC are making great progress toward finding solutions that can help with everything from increasing the depth and duration of snowpack in the Cascades to restoring all-important salmon habitat, and much much more.   -   If you’re a fan of ecology and are interested in how Indigenous wisdom can bolster our 21st-century scientific knowledge, then you’ll love this episode. We start our conversation at sea level, discussing the magic of the tidal ecosystems, then work our way up the into mountains, eventually discussing all things snowpack and forest health.  We talk about TNC’s partnership with the Stilliguamish Tribe, how forest gaps can affect snowpack, snow droughts and El Nino, collaboration with federal agencies, and rising sea levels in the Northwest.  Emily also talks about her career path to becoming a scientist and she offers up some excellent book recommendations.   -   I love the Pacific Northwest, so I greatly appreciate everything that Emily and her partners are doing to keep this region of the West so wild, special, and healthy.  I hope you enjoy.   ---    Dr. Emily Howe   "Water Connects Us All" by Leah Palmer  Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/emily-howe/   --- This episode is brought to you in partnership with the Colorado chapter of The Nature Conservancy and TNC chapters throughout the Western United States. Guided by science and grounded by decades of collaborative partnerships, The Nature Conservancy has a long-standing legacy of achieving lasting results to create a world where nature and people thrive.   On the last Tuesday of every month throughout 2024, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancy’s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond.   To learn more about The Nature Conservancy’s impactful work in the West and around the world, visit www.nature.org ---  TOPICS DISCUSSED   3:45 - Discussing the history Port Susan Bay Preserve  8:15 - The colonial reasons for the “straightening out” of the complex Stille River System  11:15 - Why TNC became interested in Port Susan Bay  13:15 - Emily’s focus on the Port Susan Bay Preserve  17:15 - Emily’s partnership with Tribal entities around Port Susan Bay Preserve  21:45 - Where and how TNC partners with the federal government on its work on the coast  26:15 - Goals for the Port Susan Bay Preserve  32:30 - How fast the sea level is rising in the Port Susan Bay Preserve  34:15 - The 2015 Pacific Northwest snow drought  38:15 - Emily’s involvement in higher elevation forest management and how it can impact snowpack and water resources  45:00 - Putting Emily’s work above to practice  52:30 - Emily’s personal journey to this work  56:30 - Emily’s book recommendations  1:02:00 - Emily’s parting words of wisdom    --- ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE:  Mountain & Prairie - All Episodes Mountain & Prairie Shop Mountain & Prairie on Instagram Upcoming Events About Ed Roberson Support Mountain & Prairie Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts 

Dr. Emily Howe - The Interconnectedness of Mountains, Forests, Rivers, and Estuaries

  Sterling Drake is an award-winning musician whose soulful tunes reflect his deep love of the landscapes, people, and culture of the American West. The media outlet Lonesome Highway probably best described Sterling’s music by calling it a “perfect fusion of western swing, honky-tonk heartache, and dance hall treasures.” But you can’t really confine Sterling’s music to a single, over-arching category– his influences range from country to folk to blues (and more!), and he’s toured everywhere from rural Montana to the swamps of South Florida to the music epicenter of Nashville, Tennesse. And it’s those wide-ranging experiences and influences that make him such a fascinating and thoughtful character and such a fun person to talk with.   -   Sterling’s family has roots in the southeastern U.S., and he was born and raised in Florida. Music was always a big part of his life, but his early interests revolved around the hardcore music scene and his love of drumming. Soon after graduating high school, he decided to head out west, where he began a long stretch of working on various ranches in several different states. Over time, his musical focus shifted from the hardcore world into the roots genre, and he began to capture the attention of audiences at bars, rodeos, and everywhere in between. Today, Sterling is a full-time touring musician, and as I record this, he is preparing for his first European tour. In my mind, Sterling is a perfect example of how a person can successfully meld passion, curiosity, hard work, and respect to create an entirely unique brand of art that resonates with a large, thoughtful audience.   -   I met Sterling last summer at the 2023 Old Salt Festival in Helmville, Montana, and I was instantly struck by his thoughtfulness, sense of humor, and his desire to contribute to the culture of the American West.  So I was glad to finally connect with him for a podcast episode and have an in-depth conversation about his artistic journey. We started out talking about his upbringing in Florida and why he eventually decided to head west. We discuss his time working on ranches, lessons learned from living and working in Nashville, and why he continues to be drawn to Montana. We discuss his most recent EP titled Jereco Sessions, and why he decided to donate all of the proceeds of that project to the nonprofit Western Landowners Alliance. We also discuss Willie Nelson, books, martial arts, straight-edge culture, travel, and much, much more.   -   If you want to see Sterling perform in person and have a chance to hang out with him, I’d encourage you to come to this summer’s Old Salt Festival, which is taking place June 21-23 in Helmville, Montana. Both Sterling and I will be there, and we’re both looking forward to what is guaranteed to be an amazing weekend.   -   Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy!   ---   Sterling Drake   Jereco Sessions  Old Salt Festival  Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/sterling-drake/  Ed's Freeflow Institute Course   ---  TOPICS DISCUSSED:   5:00 - Sterling’s first memory of music   7:45 - Reflecting on Sterling’s childhood in Florida   11:00 - How Sterling became interested in the West, and further discussing Sterling’s upbringing   14:30 - Sterling’s time in Utah   17:30 - Where Sterling’s work ethic comes from   20:00 - How music played into Sterling’s early years out West   22:00 - A brief discussion of martial arts and its impact on Sterling’s life   25:45 - Sterling’s shift into country music   28:15 - When Sterling’s country career started to take off   33:15 - Sterling’s insider take on the Nashville music industry   40:45 - How Sterling became involved with WLA   44:15 - Discussing Sterling’s recent/upcoming album cover   45:15 - Sterling’s upcoming European tour   46:45 - Looking forward to Old Salt Festival   52:30 - Where Sterling may eventually choose to settle down   54:00 - Sterling’s advice to early career professionals and aspiring artists   1:00:30 - Sterling’s book recommendations   1:03:45 - Sterling’s parting words of wisdom   --- ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE:  Mountain & Prairie - All Episodes Mountain & Prairie Shop Mountain & Prairie on Instagram Upcoming Events About Ed Roberson Support Mountain & Prairie Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts 

SHED SESSION: Seven Must-Read Books That You May Not Know About

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