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Shirley Robertson Talks All Things Aero with All Star America's Cup Trimmer Joey Newton - Part 2

This month Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts one of the sport's big name trimmers as Australian multiple America's Cup campaigner Joey Newton joins the double Olympic gold medallist for a look at his life as a professional sailor. 

If you've not listened to Part One give that a listen first.

A regular on the pro-sailing circuit for decades now, the young Joey Newton grew up miles from the coast, in central Queensland, but was quickly drawn to the sport. By 2000 Newton was sailing in his first Cup, and campaigned in every edition since, until finishing in the Auckland 2021 Cup...:

"There's a small group of us that did those Cups from 2000 through to my last one, was 2021, and were so fortunate to have sailed all those classes and have been through from the Version 3 Cup boats...the Version 5 monohulls, the huge multihulls and the start of the foiling boats and then to finish off...on a version of (the current America's Cup boats)."

As a child, Newton professes to have grown up obsessed with sailing, and remembers as a five year old, witnessing a moment that would go on to live in America's Cup folklore...:

"I distinctly remember being pulled out of bed and stuck in front of the TV and (my Dad) was like 'You should watch this' and it was the final run of Australia II and Liberty, and I still remember it."

The pair discuss Newton's progress through early days of sail design, and the pathway to becoming a professional trimmer, through the match racing circuit and the pressures of needing the prize money, to the early days of his America's Cup career.

Moving from Syd Fisher's 2000 team "Young Austrlia" though the 2003 Cup with "One World Challenge" and 2007 with "Luna Rossa" by 2010 Joey was trimming one of the largest sails ever built for Cup competition as he sailed the 2010 Cup with Oracle Team USA's USA 17 giant trimaran...:

"I still kind of think in five or six knots they might be the fastest boats around....and that's when they were really cool, when they were super light. in fifteen, seventeen knots, they were terrifying!"

2010 marked Newton's first Cup win, a feat he would repeat in the much fabled 2013 Cup with Oracle Team USA, but not before some difficult times at a fractured team under intense scrutiny.."

"With all of that going on, and the court case going on, it was literally people inside the team against people inside the team, it was horrific."  Newton remembers the approach to the Cup and disciplinary hearings that envloped the Team, before recounting the fabled comeback in that famous win on San Francisco Bay.

Robertson and Newton discuss the 2013 Cup, and the difficulty of getting the AC72s foiling against the New Zealand Team, before of course getting on to the biggest comeback in sailing history...:

"I remember in our (meeting) the mood was really positive and everyone was confident and chatty and talking about what would happen in the day and we walked past the Kiwi one and it was like death...I know all of those guys, they are fantastic sailors but they were already beaten by that point it felt like."

Newton talks through his move to the British team for the 2021 campaign in Auckland, before discussing the progression of the yachts competing in the Cup and Newton's current roles in the grand prix sailing scene.

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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Shirley Robertson Talks All Things Aero with All Star America's Cup Trimmer Joey Newton

This month Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts one of the sport's big name trimmers as Australian multiple America's Cup campaigner Joey Newton joins the double Olympic gold medallist for a look at his life as a professional sailor. 

A regular on the pro-sailing circuit for decades now, the young Joey Newton grew up miles from the coast, in central Queensland, but was quickly drawn to the sport. By 2000 Newton was sailing in his first Cup, and campaigned in every edition since, until finishing in the Auckland 2021 Cup...:

"There's a small group of us that did those Cups from 2000 through to my last one, was 2021, and were so fortunate to have sailed all those classes and have been through from the Version 3 Cup boats...the Version 5 monohulls, the huge multihulls and the start of the foiling boats and then to finish off...on a version of (the current America's Cup boats)."

As a child, Newton professes to have grown up obsessed with sailing, and remembers as a five year old, witnessing a moment that would go on to live in America's Cup folklore...:

"I distinctly remember being pulled out of bed and stuck in front of the TV and (my Dad) was like 'You should watch this' and it was the final run of Australia II and Liberty, and I still remember it."

The pair discuss Newton's progress through early days of sail design, and the pathway to becoming a professional trimmer, through the match racing circuit and the pressures of needing the prize money, to the early days of his America's Cup career.

Moving from Syd Fisher's 2000 team "Young Austrlia" though the 2003 Cup with "One World Challenge" and 2007 with "Luna Rossa" by 2010 Joey was trimming one of the largest sails ever built for Cup competition as he sailed the 2010 Cup with Oracle Team USA's USA 17 giant trimaran...:

"I still kind of think in five or six knots they might be the fastest boats around....and that's when they were really cool, when they were super light. in fifteen, seventeen knots, they were terrifying!"

2010 marked Newton's first Cup win, a feat he would repeat in the much fabled 2013 Cup with Oracle Team USA, but not before some difficult times at a fractured team under intense scrutiny.."

"With all of that going on, and the court case going on, it was literally people inside the team against people inside the team, it was horrific."  Newton remembers the approach to the Cup and disciplinary hearings that envloped the Team, before recounting the fabled comeback in that famous win on San Francisco Bay.

Robertson and Newton discuss the 2013 Cup, and the difficulty of getting the AC72s foiling against the New Zealand Team, before of course getting on to the biggest comeback in sailing history...:

"I remember in our (meeting) the mood was really positive and everyone was confident and chatty and talking about what would happen in the day and we walked past the Kiwi one and it was like death...I know all of those guys, they are fantastic sailors but they were already beaten by that point it felt like."

Newton talks through his move to the British team for the 2021 campaign in Auckland, before discussing the progression of the yachts competing in the Cup and Newton's current roles in the grand prix sailing scene.

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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This month Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast tells the dramatic story of French offshore sailor and Vendee Globe winner, Charlie Dalin.  On January fourteenth 2025 Charlie Dalin sailed across the finish line of the non stop solo round the world marathon in first place. For Charlie Dalin the offshore sailor, the win in 2025 put him at the pinnacle of a very elite group.  But for Charlie Dalin the man, it was the start of a whole new challenge. 

Robertson sat down to talk with Charlie Dalin almost a year after that Vendee win.  It's been a year since winning the biggest title in offshore sailing, but for Charlie, it's been a complicated time, because a year before crossing the Vendee start line, Charlie Dalin was diagnosed with cancer.  He chose to keep it a secret.  He raced under the remote supervision of a cancer specialist, and he won.  The toughest solo offshore challenge in sailing.  And in doing so he set a new monohull solo circumnavigation record that took a stunning ten days of the existing record.

IN this, Part 2 of their chat, Robertson and Dalin do discuss the cancer diagnosis, but this is not the defining part of Dalin's story.  In Part 1, they discussed his early life, one as a young boy, then man, obsessed with the sport of sailing, his first Vendee Globe, and in this, Part 2, they discuss preparations for his second Vendee campaign, and ultimately, hi disgnosis with the cancer that, didnt manage to slow him down around the planet.

It's a touching and somewhat sad tale, of a man used to balancing risk and reward being faced with something he has little control over.  But control it he did, as he set a blistering pace around the world.  He beat the race record by almost ten days, setting that new sixty four day solo monohull circumnavigation record...:

"The last part from Brazil to France was exceptional.  I didn't do a single gybe or tack from Brazil to Brittany, so it was just crazy, you know.  Just one single tack for days and days and days, not a tack or gybe in the doldrums, nothing.  You know, just one tack from Brazil to Brittany, just crazy you know!"

The duo discuss Charlie's win at length, but also then revert to the big secret Charlie carried around the world with him.  Only his medic and closest family knew his situation.  His team, and the hundreds of thousands of Vendee Globe fans watching his remarkable progress, were oblivious to his struggle. So when he finished the race, he was very quickly in surgery.  He revealed his diagnosis and then released a book detailing his story - "La Force Du Destin" (The Force of Destiny).  It's an emotional tale, with the highs and lows you'd expect from a career leading up to a Vendee win, but punctuated, rather sadly, by a an ending that is still yet to fully play out.

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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This month Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast tells the dramatic story of French offshore sailor and Vendee Globe winner, Charlie Dalin.  On January fourteenth 2025 Charlie Dalin sailed across the finish line of the non stop solo round the world marathon in first place. For Charlie Dalin the offshore sailor, the win put him at the pinnacle of a very elite group.  But for Charlie Dalin the man, it was the start of a whole new challenge. 

Robertson sat down to talk with Charlie Dalin almost a year after that Vendee win.  It's been a year since winning the biggest title in offshore sailing, but for Charlie, it's been a complicated time, because a year before crossing the Vendee start line, Charlie Dalin was diagnosed with cancer.  He chose to keep it a secret.  He raced under the remote supervision of a cancer specialist, and he won.  The toughest solo offshore challenge in sailing.  And in doing so he set a new monohull solo circumnavigation record that took a stunning ten days of the existing record.

Robertson and Dalin do discuss the cancer diagnosis, but this is not the defining part of Dalin's story.  In this, Part 1, they discuss his early life, one as a young boy, then man, obsessed with the sport of sailing.  His stories of chasing the dream are enchanting, from dusting the snow off the boats in the dinghy park, to a mis-communication with a complete stranger in the Yacht Haven in Cowes....

"So I thought I was going to go for another twilight sail, so I met him late afternoon....and he started showing me all this safety gear. and  I knew British people were into their safety but I thought that was a bit much for a Friday night event.  At the end of the safety tour of the boat he picks up a sailing map, deploys it and says 'so we're here going there!'  and that's when I realised I was going to sail double handed with him to Brixham!  I thought I was going to be back in my tent two hours later but no!!..... I thought I'd be back on Firday night and I was back on Sunday in Cowes!"

The duo discuss Charlie's route in to the IMOCA world, via the Figaro Solitaire circuit, and eventually discuss his two Vendee Globe campaigns.  For the sailor interested in offshore sailing, this is a must listen chat, Charlie Dalin's Vendee stories are compelling.  Of his repair in the Southern Ocean he compares the fix to that of Apollo 13's, as his team gathered around the available spares of his boat at the team base back in France to figure out a fix...:

"Everyone here in Mer Concept, they gathered, It was a bit like the Apollo 13 mission you know, they had a list of everything I had on board, and they said 'right, he's got this on board, what can we do', and they sent me this repair programme with so many steps to make this replacement bearing for the foil!"

Charlie's first Vendee Globe was then heavily effected by redress time given to other competitors involved in the dramatic rescue of PRB's Kevin Escoffier.  It meant Charlie took the runner's up spot by a matter of hours, despite crossing the finish line first.  It's a result he's not at all bitter about, and readily admits focusing on how he could have regained those lost hours, rather than the negative thoughts of a lost win.

The duo end Part One with his thoughts post that first Vendee Globe, but also looking forward to the 2024 edition, the edition he would go on to win....

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via most popular podcast outlets. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].    

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This month Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts talented British offshore sailor Will Harris, as the acclaimed offshore professional joins Double Olympic gold medallist Shirley Robertson to discuss all things offshore, IMOCA sailing and his career to date.

In Part 1, the duo get things underway discussing Wil's early sailing life and his decision to make offshore sailing his career.  This edition, Part Two of Will's story kicks off with the start of the 2023 Ocean Race, which sees Will Harris co-skippering Team Malizia with accomplished offshore sailor Boris Heermann.

Robertson and Harris look back on Team Malizia's eventful performance in the 2023 edition of The Ocean Race, an edition which saw them take two Leg wins and set an unofficial 24 Hour Monohull Speed record with an average speed over 24 hours of 26.7Kts over a distance of 641.13 nautical miles!  Will's recollections of the race also take in the harrowing mid-ocean repairs to the mast, as well as an emotional realisation on the final leg of the Race...:

"For some reason (the map) highlighted Surrey on the navigation map and it was a mind blowing moment for me, I'd looked at that map all the way around the world, I'd seen the Southern Ocean, I'd seen Cape Horn, I'd seen Cape Town, I'd seen Brazil, all these places in the world and suddenly I was looking at my home town where I grew up for fifteen years....and it was only fifty miles away or so and that was when it hit home to me 'we've just sailed around the world' in less than six months and now I'm less than fifty miles from where I first dreamed of doing this."

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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This month Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts talented British offshore sailor Will Harris, as the acclaimed offshore professional joins Double Olympic gold medallist Shirley Robertson to discuss all things offshore, IMOCA sailing and his career to date.

In this Part 1, the duo get things underway with a brief reflection on Will's podium place finish in the recent 2025 Transat Café L'Or, which saw him sail to a second place finish sailed with 11th Hour Racing's Frankie Clapcich.  From there the pair go to back to discuss the early day's of Will's sailing life, growing up in the landlocked southern UK county of Surrey before studying Oceanography at Southampton University.  Will's successful application into the then flourishing Artemis Offshore Sailing Academy ultimately allowed entry into the legendary French Solitaire du Figaro scene, and a 2016 Rookie of the Year award...:

"The cool thing with the Figaro is that....because you're solo on the boat you have to be good at everything on it, you have to be good at trimming it, you have to be good at living on the boat, you have to be good at the navigation, and because the level is so high you really have to get into the details on everything, so I think from one year of Figaro sailing you can learn so much more than someone who's done five years on any sort of other race course."

From there Will's reputation steadily grew, and now, at just 31 years of age, he is widely regarded as one of offshore sailings bright rising stars, a lap of the planet with Boris Herrmann's Team Malizia in 2023 in The Ocean Race cementing Will's place in the upper echelon of the sport.  Over the past decade, Will's emergence in the IMOCA sailing scene has been concurrent with the move, within the IMOCA fleet, to high performance offshore foiling, a development that Will has been quick to embrace as one of the fleet's key proponents of data driven high performance offshore navigating...:

"When you're solo and short handed you have to add in this human aspect of 'OK, the routing tells me to do fifteen sail changes in the next twenty four hours, that's just not realistic and it's not fast' so you have got to take that data, and what the computer and analytics is telling you to do and you've got to add that human aspect of 'OK, what's really realistic and what does my gut tell me to do and what does my experience say is going to be the best thing to actually do.' rather than just going what the computer says."

This first part ends just as Will is about to take on the 2023 Ocean Race as co-skipper on board Boris Herrmann's "Team Malizia", a story which continues in Part 2.

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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This is Part 2 of podcast host and Double Olympic gold medallist Shirley Robertson's chat with the first American woman to have sailed non-stop, alone, around the planet - the remarkable Cole Brauer, who took time out from an Admiral's Cup campaign to sit down and talk about her remarkable career to date.

In Part 1 we hear how, aged just 29, American Brauer crossed the finish line of the Global Solo Challenge in her Class40 First Light.  Throughout the first episode Brauer discusses her late discovery of the sport, a passion for sailing offshore and how she found herself taking up the opportunity of a solo round the world race.

Brauer had backed herself, seized the opportunities and soon found herself on the start line of the solo non stop Global Solo Challenge.  It's an inspiring tale, that over the race, Brauer would share with a growing number of fans.  Throughout the 130 days, her following grew by the thousands, so much so that she currently boasts more Instagram followers than almost any other sailing based account on the photo sharing platform...:

"After the first month we went from ten thousand followers and I finished the first month with one hundred thousand followers, and then it just accelerated from there, where we were just getting seven thousand followers a day, and these people were real, they were real like your Mom and Pop just watching this, who had no idea, anything about sailing."

The social media aspect to Cole's story leads to an interesting discussion as she reveals to Robertson the good and the bad sides of daily posts to hundreds of thousands of followers.  The duo also then discuss Brauer's feeling of responsibility as a role model, a position she takes very seriously, and her feelings on the lack of opportunity for women in the sport...:

"I'm living in a van in the parking lot.  And the guy next to me is making ridiculously more money than me.  Why...?  It's because he asked for more.  Because he walked into the room and he realised with what he was worth."

It's a topic Brauer is passionate about, but she also discusses this in an eloquent and powerful manner.

Shortly after the interview, Brauer went on to win the Admiral's Cup as part of Monaco Yacht Club's two boat Jolt team.  She is currently co-skipper onboard IMOCA Malizia, competing on the Ocean Race Europe.

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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This month, podcast host and Double Olympic gold medallist Shirley Robertson talks to the first American woman to have sailed non-stop, alone, around the planet, as the remarkable Cole Brauer takes time out from an Admiral's Cup campaign to sit down and talk about her remarkable career to date.

It was in March 2024, aged just 29, that American sailor Cole Brauer crossed the finish line of the Global Solo Challenge in her Class40 First Light.  After 130 days at sea, she'd set a new Class40 record, and scored a second place in the first edition of the race. Remarkably, she also became the first ever woman from the United States to sail non-stop solo around the planet.  Her story is a tale of grit, determination and perseverance, and it's a story she tells well.

In a candid interview with Robertson, Brauer discusses the drive and motivations behind her success, which are varied and complex, but also admits to drawing on inspiration from famed British solo legend, Dame Ellen MacArthur...:

"This woman is my size, she is...against all these very very skilled experienced men and in the the early 2000s, especially to do it at such a young age and...she killed it, she completely rocked it and I remember just crying and thinking 'That's it, I've got to do that, whatever it takes, that's my way in to this offshore world'.  And of course that's pretty far fetched for anyone from the United States, man or woman, because there isn't that many people that are American that have even thought about the Vendee...or even know what it is.  But I knew at that moment after reading her book that that was what I really wanted to do."

Brauer's interview reveals a comparatively late discovery of the sport, early days spent living in a van, working through a long list of boatyard jobs, before significant success in the Bermuda One-Two led to bigger opportunities. Brauer backed herself, seized the opportunities and soon found herself on the start line of the solo non stop Global Solo Challenge.  It's an inspiring tale, that over the race, Brauer would share with a growing number of fans.  Throughout the 130 days, her following grew by the thousands, so much so that she currently boasts more Instagram followers than almost any other sailing based account on the photo sharing platform...:

"After the first month we went from ten thousand followers and I finished the first month with one hundred thousand followers, and then it just accelerated from there, where we were just getting seven thousand followers a day, and these people were real, they were real like your Mom and Pop just watching this, who had no idea, anything about sailing."

By Part 2 of this two-part episode, the social media aspect to Cole's story leads to an interesting discussion as she reveals to Robertson the good and the bad sides of daily posts to hundreds of thousands of followers.  The duo also then discuss Brauer's feeling of responsibility as a role model, a position she takes very seriously, and her feelings on the lack of opportunity for women in the sport.

This edition of the podcast is in two parts and is available to listen to via the podcast page of Shirley’s own website - www.shirleyrobertson.com/podcast or via most popular podcast outlets, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcast and aCast. The podcast is produced and written by Tim Butt - for further enquires, please contact [email protected].

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This is Part 2 of Double Olympic gold medallist and podcast host Shirley Robertson's chat with eight-time World Match Racing Champion Ian Williams, as the duo get together to discuss Williams' career at the sharp end of the most  combative discipline in the sport of competitive sailing.

Williams discusses his early route to the top of the World Match Racing Tour rankings, a climb that involved turning his back on a full job as a lawyer, to make the most of his very obvious talent in the tough one-on-one world of match racing. It is however clear that the analytical and exacting approach required from a legal professional did not escape him, having made the switch to full time match racing...:

"One day I thought 'hang on, we're pretty good at this, we're pretty fast, we can read the shifts well, we've got the start under control, how's is he going to beat us', and suddenly that was like a light bulb going off, and suddenly we were able to beat him and from that day on I haven't focused on other boats, I've always gone with the approach that if we just go with our plays we should be good."

For any sailor interested in the complexities of the match racing world, this is a fascinating listen.  Williams has won the tour an unprecedented eight times, and has a unique approach to taking on the world's best and winning.

"I think the most useful is a frame work for what is a winning start, and how do you get there.  The most useful thing is being able to analyse after the start how you won or lost and why, and that often gets lost if you don't have that framework.  Sometimes you win by luck, by default, by a mistake by the other boat and if you haven't understood why you've won, then you're not learning."

But from a discipline that was once  a well trodden path to America's Cup involvement Williams also discusses how the Cup's move to multi hulls and then foiling left the multiple Match Racing World Tour winner without an America's Cup pathway...:

"The America's Cup was the dream that made me quit the law and go sailing, that was in 2005, in 2007 the last displacement monohull Cup was the same year that I made number one in the match racing world rankings and then the game moved away from me and if I look at it critically I didn't have the flexibility to adapt quickly enough to where the game went....by the time I figured out catamaran sailing the boats were foiling."

His disappointment has been the British AC37 team's gain, as Williams discusses his role in Barcelona as Pre-Start coach at Sir Ben Ainslie's INEOS Britannia team.

Throughout this two part podcast Williams and Robertson touch on a wide range of subjects around the complexities of Williams' journey from a nine year old school chess champion to his position as one of the most respected match racing champions in the sport of sailing.

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This month, Double Olympic gold medallist and podcast host Shirley Robertson is joined by eight-time World Match Racing Champion Ian Williams, as the duo get together to discuss Williams' career at the sharp end of the most  combative discipline in the sport of competitive sailing.  This is Part 1 of the two part edition.

Williams discusses his early route to the top of the World Match Racing Tour rankings, a climb that involved turning his back on a full job as a lawyer, to make the most of his very obvious talent in the tough one-on-one world of match racing. It is however clear that the analytical and exacting approach required from a legal professional did not escape him, having made the switch to full time match racing...:

"One day I thought 'hang on, we're pretty good at this, we're pretty fast, we can read the shifts well, we've got the start under control, how's is he going to beat us', and suddenly that was like a light bulb going off, and suddenly we were able to beat him and from that day on I haven't focused on other boats, I've always gone with the approach that if we just go with our plays we should be good."

For any sailor interested in the complexities of the match racing world, this is a fascinating listen.  Williams has won the tour an unprecedented eight times, and has a unique approach to taking on the world's best and winning.

"I think the most useful is a frame work for what is a winning start, and how do you get there.  The most useful thing is being able to analyse after the start how you won or lost and why, and that often gets lost if you don't have that framework.  Sometimes you win by luck, by default, by a mistake by the other boat and if you haven't understood why you've won, then you're not learning."

But from a discipline that was once  a well trodden path to America's Cup involvement Williams also discusses how the Cup's move to multi hulls and then foiling left the multiple Match Racing World Tour winner without an America's Cup pathway...:

"The America's Cup was the dream that made me quit the law and go sailing, that was in 2005, in 2007 the last displacement monohull Cup was the same year that I made number one in the match racing world rankings and then the game moved away from me and if I look at it critically I didn't have the flexibility to adapt quickly enough to where the game went....by the time I figured out catamaran sailing the boats were foiling."

His disappointment has been the British AC37 team's gain, as Williams discusses his role in Barcelona as Pre-Start coach at Sir Ben Ainslie's INEOS Britannia team.

Throughout this two part podcast Williams and Robertson touch on a wide range of subjects around the complexities of Williams' journey from a nine year old school chess champion to his position as one of the most respected match racing champions in the sport of sailing.

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