In this episode of Psyche Podcast, I sit down with Dr. Sinan Richards to explore his brilliant article “The Logician of Madness: Fanon’s Lacan.” Our conversation dives into the deep intellectual currents connecting Frantz Fanon and Jacques Lacan—two thinkers often treated as distant but who, as Sinan argues, share a surprisingly intimate lineage.

We trace Fanon’s early psychiatric influences at Saint-Alban under François Tosquelles, the Catalan psychiatrist whose fusion of psychoanalysis, surrealism, and social activism helped form the basis for institutional psychotherapy. From there, we follow how Tosquelles’ reading of Lacan’s fertile moments of delirium and psychogenesis evolved into Fanon’s own radical idea of sociogenesis—the notion that the colonial order itself produces mental illness.

Sinan also illuminates the feedback loop between these two towering figures: how Lacan’s early emphasis on the social helped shape Fanon’s thought, and how Fanon, in turn, may have anticipated the late Lacanian critique of the symbolic order as a kind of psychic prison. Together, we discuss language, desire, and disalienation—how the colonized subject’s struggle to speak and dream in a colonizer’s tongue exposes both the political and psychic dimensions of liberation.

Along the way, Sinan shares vivid stories—like Tosquelles and his patients hand-binding copies of Lacan’s thesis and selling them in the village market—and we reflect on Fanon’s enduring insight that things cannot go on as they are.

This conversation is for anyone drawn to psychoanalysis, decolonial thought, and the places where philosophy meets political action.