In 2008 Jimmy Chamberlin decided to walk away from the Pumpkins in order to focus on family and other projects. One of those projects was the short-lived Skysaw (originally named "This"). In 2011 Skysaw released its first and only full-length album "Great Civilizations", which mixes prog, alternative and a little country and jazz? Joining Frank to discuss this album is guest co-host and Pumpkast Patreon member "Joe". 

In this episode they discuss Jimmy's essential instincts to provide what's best for a song, subtle nods to "Disintegration" and what exactly is the secret in Mike Reina's pocket? 

One thing's for sure, "Jimmy is Gandalf". 

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