We’re back with part 2 of our email ROI conversation with Chad White! 
In part one, we uncovered how some of our favorite email marketing metrics might be lying to us. (We’re looking at you, email ROI…). Now, it's time to take action! Join Chad, Danielle, and Guy as they share tips to boost engagement, eliminate red-flag metrics, and break you out of the wishy-washy ROI cycle for good.

What you'll learn:

• How to shift from channel-centric to customer-centric metrics for more meaningful insights
• The pivotal role of customer data platforms (CDPs) in accurate, customer-focused analytics
• How snooze functionality can slash unsubscribe rates by up to 80%
• How investing in email marketing resources drives better results than cutting costs
• Why increasing marketing budgets should come before performance improvements
  
  

…and more! 
If you’d like to send in your email marketing hot takes, questions, or queries, you can email us at [email protected], or head to https://s.fame.so/email-after-hours-the-podcast-for-email-senders to send us an audio message.
About the GuestChad White is a renowned email marketing strategist and author, known for his extensive work including "Email Marketing Rules," which has expanded from 120 pages in its first edition to over 700 pages across two volumes in its fourth edition. As a thought leader in the email marketing space, he brings deep expertise in ROI measurement, customer-centric metrics, and strategic email program optimization.

Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant - Danielle is a Senior Email Strategist at Validity. She has over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance. She is a self-professed email nerd, dog lover, and podcast fanatic.
Danielle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielle-gallant-6443a248/

Guy Hanson - Guy is Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity. He has led global consulting teams working with clients to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue. He believes in giving back to his community and is a regular speaker at flagship events, providing training and producing fresh and insightful thought leadership.

Guy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guyhanson/

Topics we Discuss:[00:00] Intro: Why Cost-Cutting Doesn't Work in Email Marketing[01:34] Moving Beyond Channel Metrics to Customer-Focused KPIs[06:41] The Truth About Inflated Email ROI Claims[09:36] Challenges of Proving Email ROI in Today's Business Climate[12:20] Smart Preference Management: Reducing Unsubscribes by 80%[15:45] Investment First: The Key to Email Marketing Success[17:20] Why Brands Choose Paid Channels Over Email Marketing[21:23] B2B Email ROI: A Framework for Measurement[25:15] Closing Thoughts: Banning "Growth Hacking" from Marketing
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