Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders

Join Kath, alongside Guy Hanson and Danielle Gallant, as she uncovers why most email testing misses the mark—and how a scientific, hypothesis-driven approach can unlock powerful insights about your audience and deliver game-changing results.


Guest at a Glance:
Kath Pay is a veteran email marketing expert with over 20 years of experience. She has written, spoken, and trained extensively on email marketing topics, with particular expertise in testing methodologies, persuasive copywriting, and AI implementation in email marketing.
Kath on LinkedIn
Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant - Senior Email Strategist at Validity with over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance. She is a self-professed email nerd, dog lover, and podcast fanatic.
Danielle on LinkedIn

Guy Hanson - Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity. He has led global consulting teams working with clients to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue. He believes in giving back to his community and is a regular speaker at flagship events.
Guy on LinkedIn

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Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

In this action-packed episode, Prerna breaks down the core elements of high-converting email campaigns, covering everything from crafting compelling copy to removing friction points in the customer journey. She offers practical advice on leveraging social proof, optimizing CTAs, and creating behavior-based email sequences that truly drive results.

Guest at a Glance:

Prerna Malik is an email marketing and conversion optimization expert. She runs Content Bistro and has extensive experience in transforming underperforming campaigns into success stories through strategic copywriting and customer-focused approaches.

Prerna on LinkedIn

Hosts at a Glance:

Danielle Gallant - Danielle is a Senior Email Strategist at Validity. She has over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance. She is a self-professed email nerd, dog lover, and podcast fanatic.

Danielle on LinkedIn

Guy Hanson - Guy is Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity. He has led global consulting teams working with clients to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue. He believes in giving back to his community and is a regular speaker at flagship events, providing training and producing fresh and insightful thought leadership.
Guy on LinkedIn

If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

Join Guy Hanson and Danielle Gallant as they chat with guest Matthew Vernhout, Principal Email Advisor at Email Industries, to break down the common pitfalls and help you spot the difference between strategies that boost results and those that backfire.

Guest at a Glance:
Matthew Vernhout is the Principal Email Advisor for Email Industries. He has over 24 years of experience in the email industry, starting his career the day after Canadian Thanksgiving in 1999.

Matthew on LinkedIn
Hosts at a Glance:

Danielle Gallant -- Senior Email Strategist at Validity

Guy Hanson -- Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

Carlos shares his insights on how these two channels can work together to enhance overall marketing efforts, drawing from his 16 years of experience shaping social media strategies
Are you an email marketing expert with bold opinions on the industry? Come chat with Guy and Danielle on a future episode! Drop a comment, ping us on LinkedIn, or simply fill out this guest form.
Guest at a Glance:
Carlos Gil is a distinguished expert in digital marketing with a deep background in social media. Currently serving as a brand evangelist at Getresponse, Carlos has spent 16 years shaping social media strategies and has recently ventured into the world of email marketing. He is also the author of "The End of Marketing," published in 2019.
Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant - Senior Email Strategist at Validity with over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance.
Danielle on LinkedIn
Guy Hanson - Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity, leading global consulting teams to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue.
Guy on LinkedIn
If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

Samar reveals her top strategies for crafting emails that convert, discusses how to sidestep common mistakes, and shares her go-to tactics for building campaigns that truly resonate with audiences. Whether you're an email veteran or just starting out, this conversation will help you take your content strategy to the next level. 
Are you an email marketing expert with hot takes on the industry? Come chat with Guy and Danielle on a future episode! Drop a comment, ping us on LinkedIn, or simply fill out this guest form.
Guest at a Glance:
Samar Owais is an experienced email strategist and copywriter who has helped numerous brands improve their email marketing efforts. She specializes in designing strategies that align with business goals and teaching marketers how to master the art of writing for email.
Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant - Senior Email Strategist at Validity with over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance.
Danielle on LinkedIn
Guy Hanson - Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity, leading global consulting teams to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue.
Guy on LinkedIn
If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

In this episode of Email After Hours, we dig into iOS 18 and its ripple effects on email marketing strategies.

Our expert guest is Jay Schwedelson, President and CEO of Outcome Media, and the founder of SubjectLine.com. He joins Guy and Danielle to break down what’s new, what it means for your campaigns, and how to get ahead of the curve—before the inbox alarm goes off all over again.

Topics include: AI-driven inbox categorization, monitoring KPIs, and adapting to dwindling open rates.

Guest at a Glance:
Jay Schwedelson is the President and CEO of Outcome Media, a multi-brand marketing services company, and the founder of SubjectLine.com, a game-changing tool that has analyzed over 15 million subject lines. 
Jay has over 30 years of experience in email marketing, and a Guest Instructor in Email Marketing Best Practices at Harvard Business School. 
Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant – Danielle is a Senior Email Strategist at Validity. She has over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance. She is a self-professed email nerd, dog lover, and podcast fanatic.
Danielle on LinkedIn
Guy Hanson – Guy is Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity. He has led global consulting teams working with clients to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue. He believes in giving back to his community and is a regular speaker at flagship events, providing training and producing fresh and insightful thought leadership.
Guy on LinkedIn
If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

Tune in to discover how data can make or break your email strategy, and learn from Edward's most memorable experiences in navigating the ever-evolving landscape of customer relationship management.
Guest at a Glance:
Edward is the Senior CRM Data and Campaigns Manager at Vision Express, one of the UK’s biggest opticians. Prior to this role, Edward has held positions such as Digital Analyst at TTS Group Ltd, CRM Analyst at Buzz Bingo, and Customer Insights Analyst at MuscleFood. Edward's experience also includes roles as a Marketing Analyst at SRCL Ltd, Data Quality Analyst at ERS Medical, and Software Support Analyst at Lowell Group. 
Edward on LinkedIn
Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant – Danielle is a Senior Email Strategist at Validity. She has over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance. She is a self-professed email nerd, dog lover, and podcast fanatic.
Danielle on LinkedIn
Guy Hanson – Guy is Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity. He has led global consulting teams working with clients to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue. He believes in giving back to his community and is a regular speaker at flagship events, providing training and producing fresh and insightful thought leadership.
Guy on LinkedIn
If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

We’ve compiled snippets from our top episodes of 2024 (so far!) in this special “greatest hits” installment of Email After Hours.
Looking to improve your email accessibility? Want to boost customer loyalty? Still struggling with Gmail and Yahoo’s new bulk sender requirements?
In just 15 minutes, get tips and secrets to success from email experts at Yahoo, Hickory Farms, the Bradford Group, TFG Brands, Mapp Digital, and more!

Guest at a Glance:
Johanna Morlock-Abassi is the Assistant Director of Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; this company works across a range of product marketing and eCommerce. 
Johanna on LinkedIn
Jennifer Partin is the Director of Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms. An all-around email marketing guru who’s worked for popular brands over the years including Redbox & Pampered Chef. 
Jen on LinkedIn
Mike Knapp is Lead Email Design and Developer at Skipton Building Society in the UK. 
Michael on LinkedIn
Nicholas Greatrex is the Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands in London, which includes the brands Hobbs, Whistles, and Phase Eight. 
Nicholas on LinkedIn
Adam Purslow is the CEO of The Loyalty Co, a digital platform agency, known for bespoke apps, loyalty platforms, and web design. 
Adam on LinkedIn
Laura Christensen is the Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity. 
Laura on LinkedIn
Florian Vierke is the Senior Manager of Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital, who combine data with artificial intelligence to empower digital marketers across consumer-facing industries.
Florian on LinkedIn
Marcel Becker is Senior Director of Product Management at Yahoo and a self-professed email nerd.
Marcel on LinkedIn
Eric Stelle is an Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital, who combines data with artificial intelligence to empower digital marketers across consumer-facing industries; he has been with Mapp Digital for over sixteen years. 
Eric on LinkedIn
Hosts at a Glance:
Danielle Gallant – Danielle is a Senior Email Strategist at Validity. She has over seven years of experience working with global brands to craft strategies that amplify email performance. She is a self-professed email nerd, dog lover, and podcast fanatic.
Danielle on LinkedIn
Guy Hanson – Guy is Vice President of Customer Engagement at Validity. He has led global consulting teams working with clients to improve email deliverability, subscriber engagement, and revenue. He believes in giving back to his community and is a regular speaker at flagship events, providing training and producing fresh and insightful thought leadership.
Guy on LinkedIn

If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

What are the rewards for implementing DMARC successfully? How will email authentication requirements continue to evolve? What role will mailbox providers, email service providers, and senders play? How will forces like AI impact an already volatile deliverability landscape?

He joins Guy and Danielle to discuss all this and more! 
If you enjoyed this episode then please either:

• Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts
• Follow ‘Email After Hours’ on Spotify
• Hit like and subscribe on YouTube

Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)

Should we wait around for the next email bomb to drop? No! Smart senders need to be proactive about future-proofing their programs. 
Luckily, Al Iverson, a bona fide email deliverability expert and the creator of the highly influential website Spam Resource, is here to give us some expert tips to stay ahead of the game. 
In part one of this two-part episode, he joins Guy and Danielle to discuss implementing DMARC, maintaining a low spam complaint rate, and the need for marketers to stay up-to-date with industry standards.
Email After Hours: The Podcast for Email Senders is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
Previous guests include: Johanna Morlock Abassi, Assistant Director, Email Marketing at The Bradford Group; Jennifer (Davis) Partin, Director, Retention Marketing at Hickory Farms, LLC; Michael Knapp, Lead Email Designer & Developer at Skipton Building Society; Nicholas Greatex, Chief Marketing Officer at TFG Brands Londonand; Adam Purslow, CEO & Founder at TheLoyaltyCo.; Laura Christensen, Senior Director of Professional Services at Validity, Inc.; Florian Vierke, Sr. Manager, Deliverability Services at Mapp Digital; Marcel Becker, Senior Director Product Management at Yahoo!; Eric Stelle, Email Deliverability Specialist at Mapp Digital; and many others.

Check out our three most downloaded episodes:

• Rethinking Customer Loyalty Programs: The Good, The Bad, and The Free Coffee
• The One Email Metric You’re Not Tracking (& Other Secrets to Killer Email Content) with MarketingProfs’ Ann Handley
• New Consumer Email Trends & Tips to Become a BFF Brand with the Data & Marketing Association (DMA)