Christina Unkel and Lori Lindsey sit down with Shaw Brown. He’s the person who decides what gets elevated, corrected, or cut—what to zoom in on and what to leave on the floor. Here's the conversation headlines and talking points.

• USWNT, no spin: Why he believes they’re the world’s best team—and where the goals come from next.
• USMNT reality check: Will the team be World Cup ready? What it takes to light up casual fans (hint: reaching the knockout rounds), plus Shaw’s “perfect World Cup” recipe.
• Ref-cam debate: Cool POV vs clunky hardware—why it helps the fan.
• Naomi Girma: Why he calls her the world’s best defender.
• When you’re wrong on air: Fix it next show. Simple as that.
• Breaking into TV: Work,and coachability, plus the 15-second test that launched Christina's TV career.
• Classic Soccerish chaos: CBS calls mid-record; Lori takes the wheel; Christina pops back in like nothing happened.

If you care about the USWNT/USMNT—and want an insider’s take and how TV frames the game—this one’s for you.

00:00 – Cold open: Champions League day chaos; Christina sets the tone ⚽️

00:37 – Shaw: “I would be shocked if they did not win the ’27 World Cup.” 🇺🇸

01:02 – Lori: “I want to do Champions League games… I need to get in touch with somebody in Europe.” ✨

01:59 – Christina: “I love that you’re eating something. What is it that you’re eating?”

02:07 – Lori: “I’m eating tuna… was engulfed in Champions League… let’s eat some tuna.” 🐟

02:22 – “Is it okay? How do you eat tuna?” → mayo + mustard + “everything”

03:02 – Microwave fish & boxed mash confession 🤢

04:23 – Spaghetti with sour cream (and black beans) — childhood favorite → adult regret

05:23 – “Friend… would eat raw ground beef with salt & pepper.”

06:04 – Christina: “By any chance do you see the guest, Lori?”

06:10 – “Who let this guy in?” → Shaw arrives; “legendary” entrance 🙌

08:09 – “You’re going to have to jump in, Lori…” → Lori takes the wheel while Christina handles CBS 🎛️

09:36 – USWNT under Emma Hayes: depth, direction, expectations

10:18 – “Start seeing real squads… blowing some teams up pretty quickly.”

12:43 – Shaw’s origin story: Ipswich to internships to World Cups 🌍

16:24 – “There’s never been depth like this” (USWNT)

18:48 – Naomi Girma praise + repeat: “I’d be shocked if they did not win the ’27 World Cup.” 🛡️

20:36 – Why U.S. players in Europe matters (keepers, CBs, attackers)

23:56 – USMNT state: roster churn, friendlies vs Ecuador, Australia, Paraguay, Uruguay

26:44 – Christina returns: Real Madrid handball — “It’s not the bracing arm.” 🖐️

32:00 – If you’re wrong on air, fix it next show; “the goal is to be correct.” ✅

34:18 – World Cup résumé: seven men’s, seven women’s

35:37 – Keeping 2026 momentum in the U.S.

36:36 – World Cup “recipe”: USMNT knockouts + a Cinderella + Messi’s last run; ticketing gripe 🎟️

41:12 – Stars sell; MLS = weekly chaos and fun (not always “the best,” always entertaining)

45:39 – Ref-cam: “monstrous” vs why Shaw still likes the POV 🎥

47:57 – Breaking into TV: reps, coachability, honest feedback; Christina’s 15-second test

51:26 – Sign-off: gratitude, “pushing the envelope,” see you next week 👋

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