Private credit secondaries are quickly becoming one of the most talked about opportunities in private markets. As the asset class grows rapidly, investors are looking for new ways to gain exposure, manage liquidity and enhance returns.

In this episode, Keshav Rajagopalan sits down with Alex Stuart, Head of Private Credit Secondaries at PGIM, to unpack what's behind the surge in interest. They explore how the strategy works, what makes this moment compelling, and why secondaries are increasingly viewed as a natural complement to primary direct lending.

From diversification and discounts to market structure and competitive dynamics, Alex breaks down the mechanics of the asset class, and why he believes we're still in the very early stages of its evolution.

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Key Takeaways:

● What Are Private Credit Secondaries and Why They're Growing – [03:00]

● How the Strategy Enhances Diversification and Portfolio Construction – [04:00]

● Why the Market Is Expanding: Scale, Liquidity and Cost of Capital – [06:00]

● What Makes Entry Points Attractive Today: Discounts & Downside Protection – [08:00]

● The Role of Scale and Competition in GP‑Led Transactions – [25:00]

*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect their current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*

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In a world where fixed income markets are evolving, investment grade private placements stand out as a powerful tool for diversification and stability. This episode explores why these instruments remain a cornerstone for insurers, pension schemes, and long-term investors.

Keshav Rajagopalan speaks with Mike Campion, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager for PGIM, Private Credit, about the role of investment grade private placements in today's fixed income portfolios. From the benefits of direct origination and diversification to the importance of covenants and risk management, Mike shares insights on why private placements continue to be a compelling choice for institutional investors.

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Key Takeaways:

- What Are Private Placements and Why They Matter for Fixed Income Portfolios – [03:00]

- The Case for Private Placements Today: Yield, Diversification and Stability – [07:00]

- Investor Interest Across Regions and Segments: From Insurers to Pension Schemes – [09:00]

- Risk Management: Why Covenants and Underwriting Discipline Are Critical – [19:00]

*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect their current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*

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• @PGIM on X: https://twitter.com/pgim

• @PGIM on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pgim/

• PGIM on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pgim

Recalibrating resilience was the dominant theme at PGIM's sixth annual EMEA Investor Forum in London. In this episode, Keshav Rajagopalan shares key insights from sessions on private credit, structured fixed income, digital infrastructure, and CIO perspectives on resilience and long-term portfolio design.

From the evolution of private credit into a core allocation to the role of securitisation in financing growth, and the impact of AI on infrastructure demand, this episode explores how institutional investors are rethinking liquidity, flexibility, and resilience in a world of structural change.

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Key Takeaways:

- Private Credit: From Niche to Core – [02:00]

- Structured Fixed Income and Securitisation in Europe – [06:00]

- Digital Infrastructure and AI: Financing the Future – [12:00]

- CIO Perspectives on Resilience and Systemic Risks – [15:00]

*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect their current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*

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• @PGIM on X: https://twitter.com/pgim

• @PGIM on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pgim/

• PGIM on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pgim

Shareables:

"Securitisation isn't a silver bullet, but it's a critical lever for financing Europe's growth." — Edwin Wilches

"Private credit has evolved from a niche allocation to a core pillar of institutional portfolios." — Tom McCartan

"AI is here to stay. It will transform our lives, but the infrastructure build-out brings both opportunity and risk." — Morgan Laughlin

Energy mezzanine financing occupies a unique position between credit and equity, offering growing companies access to capital without diluting ownership. In this episode, Brian Thomas, Head of Real Assets, Private Credit at PGIM, joins Keshav Rajagopalan to explore the specialised world of energy mezzanine investing. They discuss why this niche strategy matters, how it fits into institutional portfolios, and what's driving demand across conventional energy, power, and renewables.

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Key Takeaways:

- Energy mezzanine financing bridges the gap between senior debt and equity, providing tailored capital solutions for mid-sized companies. – [04:00]

- The energy sector is shifting from rapid growth to a more disciplined, cash-flow-focused phase, creating opportunities for mezzanine capital. – [06:00]

- Financing solutions must align with step-change risk moments, matching capital to project milestones rather than long-term assumptions. – [11:00]

- Mezzanine financing is increasingly relevant in renewables and power, helping developers avoid equity dilution while meeting tight deadlines. – [15:00]

*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect their current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*

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• @PGIM on X: https://twitter.com/pgim

• @PGIM on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pgim/

• PGIM on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pgim

Shareables:

"Energy mezzanine financing is about solving a very specific need—providing capital without forcing companies to dilute ownership at critical growth stages." - Brian Thomas, Head of Real Assets, Private Credit, PGIM

"The energy sector is dynamic, and mezzanine capital gives us the flexibility to tailor solutions for companies navigating step-change risk moments." - Brian Thomas, Head of Real Assets, Private Credit, PGIM

"These are not off-the-rack solutions. Energy mezzanine investing requires deep sector knowledge and bespoke structuring to create real value." - Brian Thomas, Head of Real Assets, Private Credit, PGIM

In this episode, Edwin Wilches, Co-Head of Securitised Products at PGIM, joins Keshav Rajagopalan, to explore the dynamic and fast-evolving world of Asset-Based Finance (ABF). As traditional boundaries between public and private credit continue to blur, they discuss how ABF is emerging as a powerful tool for financing the real economy, offering institutional investors new avenues for diversification, yield, and portfolio resilience.

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Key Takeaways:

• Regulatory shifts and evolving market structures are driving growth in the US, Europe, and beyond – [06:00]

• Institutional investors are turning to ABF for diversification, enhanced yield, and scalable solutions - [07:00]

• Capital demand is rising in areas such as AI infrastructure, data centers, and fund finance. – [15:00]

• Contractual cash flows are central to ABF's appeal for seeking to improve risk-adjusted portfolio returns – [22:00]

*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect their current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*

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• @PGIM on X: https://twitter.com/pgim

• @PGIM on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pgim/

• PGIM on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pgim

Shareables:

"We're financing the real economy. That's what makes this space so exciting—it's not just about returns, it's about impact."— Edwin Wilches, Co-Head of Securitised Products at PGIM

"Contractual cash flows are the foundation of ABF. That's what makes it compelling for insurers, pensions, and other institutions." — Edwin Wilches, Co-Head of Securitised Products at PGIM

"Lending where there is a supply-demand imbalance of capital -- that's where compelling risk-adjusted returns could be found.— Edwin Wilches, Co-Head of Securitised Products at PGIM

Laurie Chan is joined by Stuart Parker, Head of Global Wealth at PGIM, and Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Global Wealth at PGIM. Together, they explore the intersection of private wealth and alternative investments, offering perspectives on the ways investors are broadening portfolios beyond traditional markets. Their discussion covers the trends driving growth, the importance of education, and how innovation is reshaping access.

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Key Takeaways:

• Private Wealth Is Driving the Next Wave of Growth in Alternatives – [05:00]

• Democratisation of Private Markets Is Expanding Access – [09:00]

• Education Is a Key Enabler for Integrating Alternatives into Portfolios – [08:00]

• Product Innovation and Evergreen Structures Are Reshaping the Landscape – [14:00]

*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*

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• @PGIM on X: https://twitter.com/pgim

• @PGIM on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pgim/

• PGIM on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pgim

Shareables:

"The ability to offer high-net-worth clients the liquidity and transparency of alternatives is exactly where asset managers are going." — Stuart Parker, Head of Global Wealth at PGIM

"Alternatives are surging powered by product innovation, supportive policy and investor appetite." — Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Wealth at PGIM

"Education is key. We've moved from 'what are alternatives' to 'how do I incorporate them into a portfolio?" — Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Wealth at PGIM

"The convergence of public and private markets is creating a continuum of opportunities for investors to access value across liquidity profiles." — Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Wealth at PGIM

Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM's DC Solutions team, offers insights into the rapidly evolving defined contribution landscape and how alternatives may play an increasingly important role in this space.

Keshav and Josh discuss the compelling arguments for integrating alternative assets into DC plans. As global policymakers evaluate the role of alternative investments in customised solutions, they consider the challenges that must be addressed.

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Key Takeaways:

● Preserving Financial Futures in DC. [3:01]

● Policy Initiatives & Alternative Investments in DC. [7:53]

● DC Headwinds Include Operational Complexities & an Environment of Litigation. [11:37]

● Alternative Allocations in Defined Contributions. [18:53]

● Summing Up: Key Takeaways. [23:56]

*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.

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Shareables:

"We are doing a lot of this for the endworkers, savers, and retirees, and we know the solutions that we're working towards have a meaningful impact on their retirement readiness." — Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM's DC Solutions team #PGIMPodcasts #investing

"The preferred application for investments in DC plans, specifically for alternative assets, is in multi-asset strategies." — Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM's DC Solutions team #PGIMPodcasts #investing #investing #alternativeinvesting

"We need to be careful about bucketing all alternative assets into one segment. They impact a portfolio differently." — Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM's DC Solutions team #PGIMPodcasts #investing #investing #institutionalnvesting

…Let's Talk Global REIT Securities with Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities

Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Investment Trust Securities, offers insights about the multifaceted nature of hybrid real estate securities and the potential benefits of REITS in investment portfolios.

Keshav and Rick highlight how global real estate securities can offer a compelling value proposition for investors. This diverse investment vehicle provides a low barrier to entry into real estate, an asset class distinctly positioned at the convergence of public and private markets.

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Key Takeaways:

● The Global Real Estate Securities landscape. [3:16]

● Why now for REITS?. [5:03]

● Geographic Shift: Reallocation from the U.S. to Europe? [8:25]

● The Headwinds and Tailwinds of Global Real Estate Investments. [10:18]

● The Convergence of Public & Private Real Estate Markets. [18:19]

*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. This content should not be construed as investment advice or an offer to purchase or sell any security.

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*Source [10:48]: DrWealth.com, 10 years of REIT performance, as of 19 June 2025

Shareables:

"Real Estate touches on all aspects of the economy, globally." — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #PGIMPodcasts #investing #valueadd

"Historically, commercial real estate was cyclical. Now, on the listed markets, you have these big areas of opportunity that are not very cyclical." — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #alternativeinvesting #PGIMPodcasts

"We went from U.S. exceptionalism quickly to U.S. uncertainty and people wanting to move out of that space." — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #alternativeinvesting #valueadd

"Real Estate doesn't sit in the centre of the tariff war." — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #investing #institutionalnvesting

"With supply muted over the next few years, we think we can see some good revenue growth acceleration in more traditional property types."— Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #investing #alternativeinvesting

"It can balance out the volatility in your real estate portfolio by marrying the public and private together." — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting #valueadd

Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager at Jennison, offers insights and strategies on navigating the complex and dynamic landscape of healthcare equity investing.

Laurie Chan, PGIM's U.S. Head of Alternative Solutions, and Daniel explore healthcare equity, focusing on macroeconomic forces, supply chain vulnerabilities due to trade tensions, the role of AI, and generating alpha from long and short positions.

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Key Takeaways:

● Healthcare Equity Investing offers a Spider Web of Opportunity. [3:04]

● The Role of Robotics and AI in Healthcare. [4:55]

● Trade tensions and Supply Chain Vulnerabilities. [8:16]

● Sizing Healthcare Sectors and Subsectors. [10:29]

● Alpha creation in Long and Short positions. [15:39]

● Three Key Insights for Healthcare Investors. [30:19]

*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.

Find Out More About Alternative Investing:

PGIM Private Alternatives

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Shareables:

"Robotic surgery will come to dominate the operating room." — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #PGIMPodcasts #valueadd

"[On tariffs] Healthcare can manage these increased costs much better than most companies out there." — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting

"The United States has two industries where we are the world leader. One is obviously tech, but the second one is healthcare." — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #alternativeinvesting #investing #PGIMPodcasts

"Subsector selection, size, and timing are very important to what we do." — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #institutionalnvesting #valueadd

"Sizing the investment at the right point in time is actually more important than picking the right investment." — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #investing #alternativeinvesting

"We look at our short book as an absolute return vehicle. It's not a hedge."— Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #investing #alternativeinvesting

Enrique Lavín provides critical insights into investing in Mexican industrial real estate by leveraging his market expertise and corporate finance/risk-opportunity background.

Laurie Chan, PGIM's Head of Alternative Investments, speaks with Enrique about the resilience of the Mexican Industrial Real Estate sector amidst U.S. trade volatility, nearshoring dynamics, and broader macro investment trends.

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Key Takeaways:

● Trade tariff impact on the Industrial Mexican Real Estate Sector. [3:07]

● Significant Nearshoring Opportunities in Mexican Industrial Real Estate. [5:51]

● Tailwind Risk Assessment & Headwind Development Prospects. [7:39]

● Mexican Industrial Real Estate Recession Resilience. [10:22]

● Reactions to U.S. Trade Tariffs & Future Outlook. [12:22]

● Summary of Mexican Industrial Real Estate Investments. [13:57]

*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.

Find Out More About Alternative Investing:

PGIM Private Alternatives

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Shareables:

"Mexico secures, at least for now, a leading role in a global manufacturing platform." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalinvesting

"A return of nearshoring will make prospective tenants once again gravitate to Mexico as a prime destination for low-cost manufacturing." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting

"A revamped nearshoring wave is about to take off." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting #valueadd

"Mexico's preferential position in the new trade policy will drive incremental demand for industrial real estate." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #investing #alternativeinvesting