This episode accompanies a free e-book written by Andrew Heard and Tony Payne, available at reachaustralia.com.au/resources.  

The video of this interview is available on the Reach Australia youtube.   

0:00 Introduction 

1:03 Unhelpful understandings of pastoral ministry 

2:13 The language of pastor in the Bible 

10:17 Training incoming pastors 

23:13 Meeting with your people 

26:53 Models of ministry 

30:40 Bad shepherds 

33:15 Accountability 

37:38 Is team pastoring really pastoring? 

43:51 Leadership is noble 

47:49 Men and women