Amy Zegart is a professor, former staff member of the National Security Council, and keen intelligence community watcher. Her latest book, "Spies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence" is a guide the history of the American intelligence enterprise from Washington to Biden. She also lays out how the intelligence community needs to evolve in the face of new threats and new technologies. How should the intelligence community work with the private sector? How had open-source intelligence changed the game? How should intelligence and defense officials think about risk? Find out by listening to this conversation and then buy the book to dive even deeper.

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