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Brandon Handley 0:00 Hey, what's going on I used to do, I guess we call this BJJ report. I'm thinking of a couple different things as I walk out the door of precision jujitsu here in spring springs city. Let's do that deal is I know there's a spring spring out. Deal is I've been trained in here for a little over a year. And what I'm thinking about are two things, right? One is kind of like attachment slash change. And the other thing that I'm kind of prompted by as a friend of mine, there was a dialogue going on between a couple of my friends around the idea of maybe love without attachment. Which would make me think of kind of love without expectations, right? Love without unconditional love. Right. So those two things. So the first one is kind of like fear of change and initiating change on your own. And what happens in that instance, as I was leaving this morning, and, you know, saying goodbye to a couple of guys and ladies and the instructor, there was a little, little, you know, kind of tuck in my heart for a moment there because, you know, we've all kind of come to known each other over the past past year, year and a half. No, no, some idiosyncratic cities, we played our jujitsu game, and we've helped each other improve, and in some way over over these years, and with each one of these people, for me, like I remember specific moments where they first submitted me, right, where I learned a lesson from them. I think that in jujitsu, the lessons that's where the lessons are learned when somebody catches you, and puts you into submission. And in my mind, I'm like, alright, well, that's I need to learn how to defend that I need to learn how to not get in that position, I need to, there's something there's a hole right in the armor. And so with all these people, and all the addition and the instruction, right, and the way that Ryan instructed the entire time, and I even told him, I said, you know, when I first started, it was funny, because that's one primary move that I got from him, that's not his primary move, which is like a foot lock, ankle lock. And his other one is signature move, I guess would be had an arm choke. And I told him, I said, when it first started, like he did like a month and a half of have had an arm. And it's all good, but like, we got teased and just be like, well, we would be coming from like guard position, or from all the way down at the bottom. And I'm like, well, where's like the three steps, the six degrees to, to had an arm. And so you know. The thing is, is there's a new place is coming up the street, and it's two minutes from me. And, you know, their game is going to be different. And when I was leaving the door, I realized that things were about to change. And things are change has been initiated. And when you're in the middle of change, there's a transition state and I love the word. I love Bardo state, in terms of Tibetan Buddhism, where they talk about this transition state where enlightenment is possible, right? Anything is possible and transition, we'd like to think that we are in control during that transition. Much like when you jump from an airplane with a parachute, you would like to think that you're the one in control of that situation because you have a parachute. You don't think you're gonna die when you jump out of a plane. Right now, I think that we can all be fairly certain. And Steve, the obvious, which is, when you jump out of a plane with a parachute, you have a strong influence over the income outcome and you have a strong influence over that transition state transition state being from when your feet leave the plane of the ground. The plane to when they touch the ground. There's a whole transition state in there. There's the freefall there's the ground the report and letting go. A whole bunch can happen in that in that transition state.

So as you initiate a transition, you need you influence I think the out comes by attitude by education by a lot of these other things. But that's what I was thinking as I rolled off the door, and I got my time in with a few of the people. And it's funny because we're all saying goodbye. And I'm like, Well, you know, I'm, I'm attached, I'm not attached, right? I've enjoyed, and I will continue to enjoy their company. This, I think leads into love without attachment. Right? Love without attachment. It's really unconditional love. If you take if you take a second step back. Love with attachment, I think implies that you can only love somebody, as long as they're available for you to love. Right? As long as somebody's giving you the conditions to love them, then you can love them. And you're attached to those conditions which allow you to love them. Right? They're alive. Well, that allows me to love them. Right? If they're past, well, I don't know if I can love them anymore. Right? I'm attached to them. Hurt hurts. But love never, ever hurts. Love is only love and love is like really something that if you allow yourself, that's something that you are. Right, you are love, you express love. And nothing else is required. Right? You either love someone or you don't. And I think the attachment might come from if that person leaves and you might grieve. Grieve, grieve their passing, you might miss them. But that does not take away your love of them. Right. I think that that's how I would probably chase that one down. Yeah, so attachment and love are not synonymous is basically where I would go with it again. You are You are Love unconditional love does not require anything from anybody else. In order for you to do it. Think about your children. Right. I'm thinking about mine right now and how we've got a tween. And now sometimes I might be frustrated with his actions. And sometimes I might be frustrated with his attitude. But I still love them. And he's still a good kid. And I still remember being a teenager asshole. I don't know, when that stopped. Maybe it never did. And that's okay. Like, that's just, unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, I don't know part of the process, right. But that doesn't stop me from loving him, because he's also doing a lot of really good things if I'm gonna withhold my love because he's experiencing humanity. Well, that's not right. And I tell him all the time, he says, You know what, I love you, I think you're a great kid, and I think you're doing I think you're doing amazing things. Thank you for all that you are doing. Right? I try like hell to call that out more often than then. So if you've never had children, trying to think of like, you know, some things that you might love unconditionally. Like your favorite food, your parents, right? Even like loving your loving, loving your family can be hard, too. That's another one where you can love without attachment 100%. And you can love without judgment, your family. And that's, that's another big challenge, because we can spend a lot of our time thinking about how our family members doing things so differently than we are. And if only they would do XYZ, then you know, they wouldn't be in the messenger and now or maybe they have done XYZ and they're ultra successful, and they won't fucking talk to you. Right? And so you're mad at them. But that doesn't mean that you don't love for them doesn't mean that you don't care for them.

It just means that you're mad at them. Right? There's There's separation there. And, you know, withholding love over the attachment of them being compliant or complicit with your demands, that they get their shit together and see how awesome you are. Right? It's not on them. That's, that's a limitation that you put on me. And look, I'm certain that I put it up. And it wasn't for the longest time where even even more often than not, I'm like, Well, you know, having to do something, to show the love, I think is like kind of another thing. And the attachment or like, I need to visit moto to show that I care. That's not, that's not true. You don't have to do anything to be loving somewhere. All of those are kind of the fictitious and Maple Leaf and shit that you see on TV or five love languages. Those are the social compliance is programming. We're like, alright, well, you didn't do this. You didn't act the way that Matthew McConaughey did and was it made to marry or whatever, I don't think that you actually love me. Well, that doesn't make sense. And my love tank isn't full shit, you know, I don't know that I've got enough gas where. So those to me are social constructs that somebody else needs from you, in order to feel loved. And again, there's no need for any of that, I don't think in order to feel or be loved. And again, this is more attachment, the attachment aspect of love when you and that's where attachment and desire are the root of all suffering. When we've got attachment connected to anything that we desire, we're going to suffer, we're going to feel suffering, we're going to feel we're going to feel less than we're going to feel like you're going to miss something or them. And again, as I walked out the door this morning, as you initiate change, you're attached to what you've got. And you're you don't know what you may get as the next piece in your life because of change. Hope that hope that you find some of that helpful hope that you're able to initiate change without fear that you're able to initiate change without you know, being attached to a where you are right now. And be without being attached to the outcome. Something in that transition state. That is more beautiful than anything else. I think that anybody in here knows that. We've got an event to go to sometimes the preparation and everything leading up to the event is better than the event itself. Alright, y'all take care. And if you're looking for any more like this, anything else to help? I guess I'll be doing these quite a few more times somewhere. Day six of 90 in total, not in a row. Thanks to the soma breath group, David Lorenz. Played a cat. Where's that? Where's that? I gotta gotta go. There's the X

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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general, you're so limited thought process Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't even have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question some time for another head of spiritual

Brandon Handley 0:36 one. Hey, there's spiritual dope. I'm on here today with our guests. Satyen Raja. He is a co founder with his wife, Suzanne Raja, that founded warrior sage back in 1999. That's the last millennia, right? So it's and they founded it with a mission to activate leaders with powerful missions to bring their dreams into reality. So for the past two decades, Sultana Suzanne utilized her three decades of immersion in wisdom, transformational and enlightenment methodologies to provide hundreds of trainings and workshops, international, Lee teaching 10s of 1000s of students, the art of the warrior, the art of sage and the art of the lover. So Sam, thanks for being on today.

Satyen Raja 1:20 Brandon, thanks for having me. You're nice introduction.

Brandon Handley 1:24 Awesome. So, you know, I usually like to start this off with the whole ideas outside. And I think you'll appreciate this, that we're, we're conduits for like universal energy, right? And whatever is coming through us today is for the listeners like highest and best good. Right? So what's coming through you today for that listener?

Satyen Raja 1:43 Well, it's what you just said that we are conduits, we are the conduit. And one of the foundations of, you know, the philosophy that I am to live by is rather than seek freedom and love. Recognize we are the conduit of freedom and love, we already our freedom and love, we might not remember it, we might forget, look, you and I whoever's listening, we're free enough to step aside a few minutes in the middle of a day, how many people on the planet in the history of the planet, have even the time the energy to do so or even listen to this. So we're in a special category of beings who have the choice to go, I want to learn about being spiritually dope, I want to learn about deepening myself having more prosperity, deepening my content. So means we are already free in many, many, many, many ways. So the appreciation of our current state of freedom is valuable. And we also have to appreciate where do I have love who, where is the love? I have beautiful love with my wife, my family? My, my, my friends? My colleagues, of course, is their lack of stuff is their glass here and challenges here we all will have. And right now the challenges are magnified many fold as we know, from the planet due to all the circumstances. But can we anchor ourselves as love as freedom, rather than neurotically keep trying to seek it from stuff outside of us?

Brandon Handley 3:13 Yeah, 100% I love that, right? Recognize really what we already have, and who we already are in this moment. Right? Without having to go beyond that. You know, as you're talking, it's just kind of reminds me of kind of the Buddha's story, you know, regardless of how real or true it really is. But like, you know, the idea of a woman says, saying, I want to be happy. And the Buddha is like, hey, drop the eye and the want just be, you know, happy. So it sounds a little bit like that's what you're saying, right? And again, look, it's super easy to look around and realize what we don't have. And I think that, that as a Western culture, that's what we've been trained to do. Right? With all the marketing and all the things hey, here's all the stuff you don't have you want this, that's what's gonna complete you. And so, so, you know, I love that I love what you're saying. So but here's what's cool about what you're doing right now, you've been doing this for a long period of time. And as you and I spoke about in the beginning, we connected through a mutual friend, lend right, who I've had on a previous podcast hasn't great conversations, and he introduced me to your book that is coming out. Let's see if I've got this in front of you here, the transcendent CEO, and I wanted to talk to you and share with the audience a little bit about what you're doing in that today. So let's just start off with a very thought and the idea of what does it mean to be a transcendent CEO?

Satyen Raja 4:41 Well, I mean, a very blessed privileged position to be a guide and mentor, supporter of business leaders, founders, CEOs who are leading socially impactful companies that are here for the greater good. And the challenge with business leaders is we're stuck in an old paradigm of extreme reaction, greed, goal setting to achieve more and more money, more and more market gain. And you know, it's predatory. And it's almost militaristic, the idea of like, going to take over this merger, acquisition all the languaging. And the paradigm is based on a military, energetic and paradigm that is dead. If we keep going down that way, we're gonna destroy ourselves. Business leaders are some we are the most powerful people on the planet more powerful than clergy more powerful than politicians. Why? Because wielding Money, money, whether we like it or not, is a power on the planet. Now, it's not the money that's good or bad, or indifferent or neutral. It's how we use it. And how we use it is based on the depth, the resonance of our consciousness. If we're going to meet egoic state, we're going to how much money we have, we're going to correct continuously be voraciously looking for more. If we're in a weak state of being, which is the next evolution, then it's about sharing collective win win. But even that has a limit right now. The next stage of evolution, what I call the transcendent leadership, and the transcendence CEO is a leader who's become aware of the whole, they've had some type of spiritual awakening, they've had some type of Inner Awakening, where now they feel their symbiotic relationship with the whole existence. It's not a mental thing. They're not reading that we are one, they're not intuiting or hoping that Hey, are we interested, they know it, they got they've had some medicine journey. They've had shamanic experiences, they've had enlightening experiences, which have dropped the veils of separation. And now with that Omni wind consciousness, they're able to make decisions run their companies leave their personal lives, from a win for the whole of humanity. This is the next level. And I believe it's necessity. And those who aren't moving into that dimension are claiming that they're going to die, they're going to die on the vine, because that paradigm is dead. And it's self destructive. And whoever is still entertaining, it is going to reap the benefits, or I should say the destruction of that paradigm. But as you know, what you expressed at the beginning, we are in a whole new era where the transmission, the vibration is calling us into Gaia centric, Earth centric, unity. This is where we're going, this is where we're at, let's drop into it and make a difference with our businesses. So that's the that's the essential essence. Yeah, moving forward, it's about taking the path of least resistance and maximum impact, rather than will will will will willful power. We go from mule, to magician. That's, that's

Brandon Handley 7:51 my Ultimate Edition. I like one of the things you threw out there a couple of things you threw out there that I found in the book that also resonated with me was the idea of the Omni win. I mean, I think we we say Win, win win. But sometimes there's a loser in there and looking for those Omni wins in these situations. That's the point we're trying to do. And as you spoke about, we we live in a culture and these corporations that you're talking is the hired mercenaries hired guns, right, you know, that we're talking about a militant state? And, you know, I don't think that you can really approach you know, something that's for the good of all, from a militant stance. Right. And so that's the stuff that you're sharing. And you talk about the Enlightened leader being necessary, right, and how that's going to be the change paradigm and how that's how we've got to move forward. Yeah, my question, I guess is, you know, is that something that you're able to help these leaders cultivate? Or is it something that these leaders have experienced? And then they're like, Well, how do I integrate this new way of being and knowing into my business?

Satyen Raja 9:04 That's a great question. Brad needs both. You know, look, COVID has brought the world together. We all sharing the whole world, sharing a worldwide challenge over the last two years. Right now we've got more current challenges, wars, and all these other things going on. But that brought us together in a way seeing our humanity, it doesn't matter if you're the queen or a popper. All of us are vulnerable to these things, you know, and there's a great equalization in it knowing that in the invisible is our faith. Perhaps this is a humbling of our ego. But I think it's a good humbling and I think it's an invitation for all of us to recognize, I'm not even going to feel fulfilled unless what I'm doing. It has a good benefit for more than just myself and my family and my personal goals. It's not about becoming absolutely give everything away and treehugger and, and not have any care for your personal success. It's personal success and plus plus plus. So the paradigm I like to introduce, you know, the old paradigm was peak performance. Let's go from average in a low peak, then remove ourselves and we're able to get more done, be more effective, create more results in a shorter period of time, with more focus of who we are. Everyone focuses on the peak performance focus for too long burns out, I've seen it over and over families burning out, heads, you know, relationships, going through all types of strife and struggle, even when the businesses are going strong. Why because there's not a balance and equanimity and equilibrium of being. And so I really feel it's time that we embrace equilibrium, having a healthy family life, having a healthy body, having a healthy relationship to spirit to God to truth, to enlightened, whatever we want to call it. And then from the wisdom from oversaturation, in that our leadership in business is now wise, it's not extractive, it comes from wisdom. And this is, this is the era we're going into the era of universal wisdom, which I believe is the most important value right now to embrace.

Brandon Handley 11:35 If you I mean, if you recall out what what Universal Wisdom means, like, I guess, a phrase or a paragraph, what would that sound like?

Satyen Raja 11:45 Wisdom is tapping into the ancient knowing that's within us. That comes from all the wisdom traditions of east, west, north and south. There's things that masters have told us, of every ilk that is familiar, that's resonant. And those ancient wisdoms that our indigenous elders hold our elders hold from all around the world, from all cultures, we've made we've we've put a golden calf on the throne, and that success, money and peak performance, and all these things in that realm. But the wisdom shows us that peak existence is where the diamonds have lifeline. And peak existence is how is my life living, peak performance is you're going towards a goal of having more output more success in one area. Peak existence means I mean, join the whole spectrum of life being with my lady making love with my lady, taking my children out, having fun with my friends, having time to relax, and do nothing and enjoy nature and all the gifts of Mother Nature, as well as being focused on our success. And we're in an era that I've seen with the CEOs, I mentor, where we can truly have all of that without compromising at all the depth of who we are in our integrity.

Brandon Handley 13:10 Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, because, again, breaking away from what we've had for the past 100 150 years, right, I think, to your point, we've seen the we saw the fractures and the fracturing through COVID. Or nobody escaped it. Like you said, Nobody got away from COVID. And, you know, what it did everybody experienced the same thing at the same time. Nobody, nobody got away from it. Right. And that burnout, and the willingness to, to try to continue as as though there were no pain, no pandemic here, nothing to see, right, everything. Everybody's everybody keep moving forward. And that really forced everybody to take a real look at themselves and get close and see themselves for who they were, and ask themselves Am I Am I living this peak existence? Like you're talking about? We don't know what's around the corner? How can I? How can I start living a peak existence? And I think that one of the formulas you give in the books is the five pillars right in the five s? Watch. Is there a little bit about those? Because I think that I think that those are kind of core when essential to not just the peak existence of a CEO but for any life.

Satyen Raja 14:23 Absolutely. So one of my mentors, Kevin nation's business mentors, he shared with me his philosophy of these F's and and so faith, so I call them the I call them the freedoms, faith, family, finance, fitness and fun course you can add more apps to that. But faith is our spiritual connection to ourselves, our belief in ourselves, our belief in the higher power, our connection to the universe, is how connected we are to the synchronous flow of existence is what I call faith. It's very valuable to cultivate. Family of course, you know, we can enjoy all the riches of life. But if our family life if we're not having beautiful relationship and flow in our, with our intimates with our family members, there's an emptiness of life, there's an ache, because our home base is not there. So fostering and putting family people see which one you put first I go, I don't faith, family finance, fitness and fun. Our threads have a strong rope. Any one of them are weak. If you put pull on the rope, it'll break. Each one has to be healthy faith, family finances. There's a lot of focus on earning. But what about saving? What about spending? What about investing? What about dealing with your money from a place of the doubt that there's infinite, but and that you don't own anything, that we're just a steward of all our belongings and our money as we're here that stewardship energy is a very wise way of approaching it, it takes us out of the ego at faith, family finance, fitness. Our bodies are a vessel for our spirit. When we feel strong and healthy and alive and vital. To make love more, we're seeing more, we're respected more, we feel better about ourselves. And we got more energy to fulfill life, faith, family finance, fitness and fun. This is one of the ones I had to work on is a very focused individual. Now, before that, I would burn myself out years back. Now I make sure in my week, every night every day, I've got fun going on. Fun than this and fun with my wife and with my friends fun with my kids fun by just by myself. So when we have these faith, family finance, fitness, and fun, and we water each one like a garden, they all grow together into 12 into a inter weave into a very powerful rope that's unbreakable. And we can scale that all the way up to heaven.

Brandon Handley 17:10 That's awesome. And, you know, I think that one of the things that, you know, knowing about you is a strong background in the martial arts was I think, you know, just has always kept you probably connected into at least some type of reflection, even though at certain points sounds like you, you went real hard, right? And just life in general. And I think that that's just kind of that's kind of the path, right? That's kind of this, this is what everybody tells you, you're supposed to do. Santana go go hard, go strong. Don't stop until you sounds like a Michael Jackson. So I'm gonna stop. So you had enough. But you go strong. And you find yourself you know, looking back and like what was all this for? Because you you find that you maybe you lost touch with your face, you find touch that you maybe lost touch with your family, and the fun. Maybe you've had a success and you're fit but like there's this vast amount of emptiness. But uh, you know, I know that last I read at least you know, you've you've got the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which I think that as we go, I practiced this myself and I love it. I don't think jujitsu. Yeah, listen without it. Listen, listen, 530 in the morning, you know, I jump out of bed and I make that part of you know, three days, three days a week, it's 530. In the morning, I'm on the mats, you know. And this, I love it. Because there's no ego there, right? There's no ego, you're you can't be in any better state of flow than when you're trying not to get choked. Right. And you know, as we're as we get older, we're still able to do this. And this is another place where we can put into practice maybe slowing down and teaching others Hey, listen, sure, you can go super fast and get it but maybe you're relying on your, your piss and vinegar as it were right. Versus like technique and just a practical, purposeful application. And again, this is stuff that I'm seeing you teach in the transcendent CEO, right. So when you approach are people approaching you or you going to companies and pitching I'm just kind of curious what this looks like from, you know, not necessarily even a business perspective, but how are you being approached and how's this I transcend the CEO reaching the ears of CEOs that might be willing.

Satyen Raja 19:22 Most of my clients are all by referral. They've heard me on a talk or heard me somewhere, or I've shared on the stage for I've expressed in a conference. You know, like I invited do keynotes and such and, but, you know, I've been very blessed to have you know, my focus has not been on marketing. So this is for anyone in business. My focus has been on serving my clients so they have exceptional experiences, and results in their own personal lives, which then become a 10 times better marketer than anything I I could write or market or put out in ads and all that. That's because that's me, that's what's worked for me. For me, I just take my heart, my soul, when I have my clients, I want to flush out their dreams or aspirations, I want to take a look at the good, bad and ugly, what's working, what's not, where's their shadow, where's the ship, they don't want to look at and go right for that fearlessly. And then take them there. Why? Because as leaders, we got to we can't bullshit around with our shadows, we got to strengthen them, we got, we can't put them aside and show our shiny successful side. And inside, we got termites in our, in our cart or in our consciousness, right. So because I have that, how can I say, ferocious love to accept only the highest in those I work with, because I know they've got missions that are valuable, I don't bullshit with them. And I believe that my experience has been that attitude of love with fire, with care. Seeing the results in their life, that's where I put all my deepest investment on, and I trust the universe. In the return that results of that.

Brandon Handley 21:17 That's awesome. And I love reading some of the stories in the book of you hanging out with Stuart while to write like so. I mean, you've had some really connections with some cool people, you've had this great journey, and you're able to share this with others to, you know, look, create connections to leaders, and oftentimes, you know, I think it's great look, for everybody to experience, you know, some type of enlightenment, some type of awakening some type of spirituality, right, like, you know, definitely connects with your all your five, right, your faith family, you know, but one of the things that I think is most neglected throughout, again, Western culture, and just speaking primarily from experiences face, right, and the spiritual connection, we're like, Listen, I'll get to that, like when I'm dead. Right. Like, I'm willing, I'm willing to, you know, gamble on the deathbed with that one. But I think that, you know, that's, that's too late, personally, and so, you know, having a CEO speak to you, you know, from that level, opens that up for the company, or the people that are, you know, within there to just say, wow, you know, if he's doing it, and he's talking about it, and he's sharing it, I might need to check this out. Right. Is that kind of the idea? Yes, yeah. Let's hear more about it.

Satyen Raja 22:37 We follow people we trust, we follow people that are demonstrating lifestyle lifestyles that we value. There's a lot of great operators, a lot of bullshit con folks. There's all types of talk, talk talk. We've got Tech Talks every weekend going on great talks, who is doing the walking? Are we doing the walking? Are we doing the talking? So one of the things is to discern what's a talker, who's great at oration, and who's embodying and living it. My only concern is that we live these ancient principles and where I start, and everyone is invited to this, I believe a foundational start, is awakening to your true nature, the spiritual side. Now, faith to me is not belief in something that I don't know of. Faith is having an experience, of divinity, of union of truth, of that of essence, if you will, of enlightenment, from the experience orienting our life, to become Gerland with the truth of who we are not the identities. The shallowness is of ourselves, or the, if you will, the wobbliness is within our own psyche, but identified with the essence and you know, all the leaders, I take through the coaches that we got different levels, right I have, I've got about 300 coaches in my organization. And the first thing that we do with our clients is we take them through what we call kinjo ke NSHO. That comes from Japanese Zen tradition. And it's a process which helps people dissolve the barriers of what they're not and who they're not, and come into their true nature. Like for the first time, they wake up to know who they are, I am. Once you have that essential experience, everything you do if you're a business leader, you're a father, a mother, an athlete, you're an everyday person working, everything will be far more deeper, harmonious and connected to the universe, because you've discovered who you are. So that's an essential I'm going to recommend and challenge invite everyone to experience

Brandon Handley 24:52 so as you would recommend that they check out what Kensho is or do you have something else that would help them to dissolve those barriers, right? Yes.

Satyen Raja 24:59 Absolutely, and they can download that free on our warrior sage.com website, we've got three activations one is called fight. One is called the abundance activation. It's a one day complimentary, totally free, no strings attached seminar that you do at home with your beloved's friends, family members. There's another one called relationship activation to really up level your emotional IQ and your skill sets in all relationships, including intimate. And then the power activation is awakening your enlightened power, not the power of the ego, it's dissolving, it's enlightening, and all that's available, absolutely free, you can download it, experience it for yourself, it's less lecture, and it's exact guided processes. So get a friend, family member, a spouse, a child do with each other, and you see the results. Okay.

Brandon Handley 25:51 Now, I love that. And a couple things in what you're saying here, too. I don't know if you blanked out and on the I am when it becomes too like who you are. Because it's almost ineffable, right. Like, it's this type of thing where like, you find out who you are. And that's it. There's, I think you talked a little bit earlier in the beginning, there's a there's a knowing, right, there's, there's no disputing what had happened. In that moment of awakening, of accessing realization, activate whatever you want to call, like, there's so many different ways you can do it. But like, once you're there, and you hit it, you're like, oh, shit, right, like everything. There's a big ol, like, everything just kind of moves to the left or whatever, right, like everything. In that moment. Everything is different. And even then, and I think that I think that a big challenge for a lot of people is to realize, you know, the awakening, that's just the start. Pray, I mean, like, the awakening is just like, Okay, you just got here. Thanks for showing up.

Satyen Raja 26:59 When we go to bed at night, right, we sleep. When we wake up in the morning, it's not the end of the day, the waking up is the beginning of the day, right

Brandon Handley 27:06 first? Yeah. 100% 100%. And I think that there's a challenge to a couple of things that you're saying. It's like, again, not power isn't an egoic sense. I remember. And this was I was just beginning, even just the podcasting and feeling, feeling encouraged to step into myself, right when I am stepping into, say, stepping into my power and talking to peers and said, you know, wouldn't it be great if you could step into your own power into your own greatness or like, wow, I'm not great. And so what is it that is keeping people from accepting the truth of who they are.

Satyen Raja 27:46 It's the attachment to the identities that keep us safe, secure, and huddled in the known. Okay, safe, secure and huddled in the known to discover who we are. We have to have the willingness to go I know who I am already. I'm a father, I'm a husband and this and that of that I'm a friend of someone, I'm a son of my father. Those are all identities, all labels, your schooling your education, as you shared when one discovers who they are, it's like a spiritual soul orgasm, a recognition of who I am. That goes beyond words. It's beyond this world beyond this earth plane. There's no words for it. But we can talk about it I can talk about orgasm but if you haven't experienced orgasm, it's so much more than that what can be spoken about even you can talk volumes on it but one experiences profound in the same way waking up or what the Japanese called Kensho or in India Yogi's call it Samadhi in English we can call it the direct experience or the direct consciousness of your of who you are and what you are. So we call it the our I am this we can hear it. You can meditate you can do mantras or I am you can feel the center of I am this but it's not full enlightenment. It's that it's not a full awakening.

Brandon Handley 29:17 Right there's a there's like I I consider myself awakened but I don't consider myself enlightened. Yes, right. So I mean, but I would still consider awakened just a different plane than I'd had existed before. Right as no better no worse. And it's look everybody's a Buddha, right? Like I get it like it resides in everybody. But there's still there's still more right? I just wanted to call that out, right? Like I don't

Satyen Raja 29:45 in Japanese. In the zip tradition This can show or the initial waking ups. And Satori is a term given to sustain enlightenment which comes after maturation guidance, support or after the initial awakenings that so Satori represents the sustained state. And there's depths of that as well, right

Brandon Handley 30:10 now, and I say, I don't know, right, like I'm my first time through. So, you know, so I guess the question I would have to write let's, you know, gain transcendence SEO, I think what you're doing in this is really awesome. Do one of the things that in the book, you recommend to use it as almost an Oracle? Right? You kind of open it. I don't know, if you mean Oracle, similar to like the eaching, you kind of open it and you get to a point, you're like, hey, what's on my mind at work? Today? Think of a reflective question something that's, you know, hard on me, opening the transcendent CEO book and be like, Oh, here's some stuff that I could work on. This is this is indicative of what I'm going through? Oh, here's some answers on how I can apply this.

Satyen Raja 30:54 Right? Absolutely. You know, I designed it as an Oracle, anyone who is in business, or you're interested in leadership, or a leader, you're might not be a CEO, or founder, CEO. But we all are leaders, you might be the CEO of your household. You might be the CEO of yourself. Right? So this book goes into these principles, you can open it anywhere can incite reflection stories, wisdom, attunement. So it is like an oracle or an eaching, or a tarot deck. Easier to read that way. That way, you don't have to start getting to the end.

Brandon Handley 31:34 For sure, and so of the people that you've shared this with and have worked through with, what would you say, has been the largest impact or Aha, teaching out of this book for for some years.

Satyen Raja 31:50 It's what I said earlier meal to magician. tendency is in the wet in the whole world is to be overly willful, especially in leader ship positions, willful willful Drive, drive, drive, keep going take a breather, drive, drive drive, and it produces results. You know, the old paradigm, massive action equals massive results, it's a great paradigm. What we don't hear is also equals massive burnout. Behind the scenes, we don't hear about people exposing Crush It, massive it, right, right. When you say that, you'll end up being crushed, I've seen it over and over and over, every person that continues down that road, always has some backfire a boomerang backlash, some on physically, the relationship, something pans out, they get some they get burnt out, and they don't know what's going on, or they lose their fire. So the paradigm of going from hard work to a transcendent leader is the trans transition. And to deal with that we have to deal with our we have to transform our addiction to doing we have to transform our addiction to control. And, and and when we do that, in fact, the control and the commanding becomes 100 times stronger. You become like Archimedes, you get you're able to lift the whole world up with this with a lever, because you're not using willpower, you've made your internal lever so powerful, right? That's the key. That's a good formula to magician. And that's, I think, the essence of this book.

Brandon Handley 33:34 And you've also got, you know, transcendent culture, which is the companion book with this. And to be honest, I haven't had a chance to jump into this one just yet. But, you know, is this where the leader can kind of refer to and how to grow and nurture their, their people talk to us a little bit about the comparison.

Satyen Raja 33:52 Yeah, exactly. You nailed it, Brandon. So the transcendence seals for yourself and your own mastery and leadership, transcendent cultures. Now, how do you bring that into your teams, they bring in your family, your team dynamics, whether your team is 2345 or 1000. This we've always sages also chief, a cultural adviser for numerous companies. And we also bring in programs of coherence taking teams that are in chaotic state into coherence in less than two hours. That's powerful. That's part one of our reputations and fame and claim to fame is that we take the most ragtag crazy wild set of discontinuous and chaos filled teammates in a zoom call for two hours, we can really literally dissolve the major obstacles that got in their mindset and get them aligned and coherent and moving forward in a good way. And that to me, I believe human dynamics is the essence of and supporting the Hello in the happiness and the joy of healthy human dynamics in an organization, that's the key to making them grow. And 20 100x, which now I've seen with the companies, I mentor, many fold TEDx as a minimum that happens to them over over the time they work with me.

Brandon Handley 35:19 Sure enough, super powerful. And I think that, you know, science is proving out, you know, a lot of what you're saying how you put people in this state of being, you can expect to have these type of returns the, the old fear and, and again, militant, you know, crack the whip or whatever, you know, run them down, run a run to the ground. Sure, to your point, we can get results that way. But, you know, you're gonna toss that one out and go get a new one. Or they'll quit.

Satyen Raja 35:44 Right, right. Turnover churn rate.

Brandon Handley 35:47 Right? So hey, Satya, I always been awesome. And I love it. I know, we don't have too much more time left. What, uh, what I got here for you is the fun portion of the podcasts. And it's what I like to think about is that this is a little bit like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody's gonna tune into Satya as podcasts, they're gonna be like, well, do I feel like spiritually dating site 10. And what he has has brought out for us today. And to that end, I've got a couple of questions, I'd like to ask you, you ready? Please? All right. And I know you're married, but spiritual Bachelard. Number one, you know, why are so many people depressed.

Satyen Raja 36:25 They don't know what their true mission and purposes are. They're denying it, or they're avoiding it. Because even when you find what you're what you're really here for, right? And the way to ask, the way to know that is take some time, get a journey going or go for a walk, sit down at a river sit down in nature underneath a tree, pick a few hours, universe, me and my soul. What is mind to do now? What is not mine to do now in the world? Have a sheet write down what is mine to do? What is not mine to do? What is mine to do? What is not mine to do? Do that for an hour or two, you'll get more honed in to your center of what you're here to do when you do the depression will start to alleviate

Brandon Handley 37:11 now. And, you know, that's also one of the exercises in the book, if I recall correctly. And so there's more more like that in the book. So thanks for sharing that. You know, then that reminds me to the call of the hero, right? Joseph Campbell's called the hero, right? If you find out what your purpose is, and you kind of reject it, it's just kind of keeps nagging at you. Right? And it keeps following you around. Like I'm still here, you still got your thing to fulfill. We talked about this? I don't know. I'm not a soul contract guy. Because I don't know enough on it. But But soul contracts, right? Say, Hey, we said we're gonna do this. And we showed up. So thank you for that answer. What is the relationship between science and religion?

Satyen Raja 37:53 Well, in this day and age, all the lines are blurring, and science, philosophy spirituality are getting closer and closer together. Because we're noticing that universal laws or universal laws, doesn't matter what spectrum you're in. And I believe science. As we go deeper into the quantum mechanic dimension, it sounds more and more closer to spiritual dimensions. And one day, I believe will be a place where there's no distinction, where it's just a universal science that takes into account the observer, the subject, relationship, and all of the whole spectrum of the game.

Brandon Handley 38:34 Yeah, I think it's been a lot of fun to watch them converge over the past couple of years. I don't know about you how kind of excited you are. When something comes out. You're like, oh, I can go to somebody and be like, it's not all woowoo here it is. I've got something for you. Right.

Satyen Raja 38:49 But some of my top CEOs are like, some of the world's most brilliant scientists, like scientists, AI genius is a biotech geniuses I'm talking geniuses, right? But when they get the taste of the spiritual flavor and the awakening, they're like, Wow, the maturity of their science goes to a whole new level. Wisdom informs science.

Brandon Handley 39:14 Sure. There's a correct me if I'm wrong, like I mean, there's a you know, what's the opposite of constriction? Right, there's a release, right? Because they've been going through constricted and they've been going through like, forcing and if they can sit back, release, relax, and I guess you receive, right is kind of how it works out. Well. Hey, Satsang has been so much fun. Is there anything else that you wanted to share prior to sign off today?

Satyen Raja 39:39 Well, you know, I'm just very grateful for you your energy, the good work you're doing out in the world. Thank you for sharing and asking me these great questions and everyone who's listening. You're welcome to come to our website, Warrior sage.com. And there's many, many different teachings and interviews with all the great CEOs there a lot of inspiration, and it's just been a pleasure, my friend. And let's let's keep banding together for the greater hole right now. Okay,

Brandon Handley 40:04 I appreciate it Santana thanks for being on today.

Satyen Raja 40:06 Let's brother be well I

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MORGANA RAE is an international bestselling author, an award-winning entrepreneur, and a pioneer in personal development for 27 years, putting LOVE first to build wealth and impact. A favorite guest on television, radio and print, Morgana has guided thousands of entrepreneurs, innovators, healers and humanitarians to heal the rift between heart, spirit, and money… to save the world as only they can. (You can find longer bios at www.morganaraemedia.com)

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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people intend

Brandon Handley 0:12 to one? Hey, their Spiritual Dope What's up I got a special guest on for you today it is Morgana Rae she is a 20 time international number one best selling author and mentor coach, as he's regarded to be the world's number one authority on relationship with money. Her groundbreaking approach to love centered wealth building has featured her on the Wall Street Journal, Yahoo Finance, all the major television networks coast to coast radio and hundreds more. We're gonna fans call her the money goddess, because of the many documented stories of clients manifesting unexpected income of hundreds 1000s 10s of 1000s, hundreds of 1000s even over a million dollars, within hours of changing their relationship with money, a pioneer in personal development for over 27 years, we're gonna write speakers and coaches from a desire to empower idealistic entrepreneurs, artists, healers, and humanitarians to have a big impact in the world and the heal the rift between heart, spirit and money. You know, so thank you so much for being on today. It's funny, because, you know, Wall Street Journal is great, right? Yahoo Finance all the major telecom and the one that of course, gets me I'm like coast to coast. What? So, so awesome to have you on here today.

Morgana Rae 1:36 Thank you so much. Yeah, coast to coast was fun. And you get a lot of time, and it's in the middle of the night. So my husband's what was listening from home, because I have to do it on the landline and we don't have any landlines at home. And he says you are breathing really heavily during that interview, because I was just pacing the whole time to keep my energy up. But it was it was a great experience. It's I mean, Toshinori it's amazing.

Brandon Handley 2:07 So right, how is this, you know, legends in the field, and that you've been with quite a few other legends as well. But that's the one that that's the one that jumped out at me and was super excited about that. So I usually like to start this off, we're going on with the whole idea that you and I, we are conduits for Source Energy, right? And there's somebody listening on the other end of this podcast today that needs a message that can only be delivered through you through source energy to them. What does that message today

Morgana Rae 2:40 the people that I speak to that I'm speaking to right now, like, I'm not interested in the sociopaths, so we're going to leave them out of the conversation. But spiritual people, the do gooders of the world, the artists, the innovators, the healers, the humanitarians, these are the people who have the most painful relationship with money. By the way, you know, very rich people have pain too. And I've coached on the total extreme ends. But I'm speaking really here to the spiritual do gooders who really just want to help. And that is such a different mindset and relationship with money than say, the entrepreneur who is happy as a clam, to make lots of money harming people. I was in a mastermind years ago real mix of people, but I felt very out of place. Because one of the speakers was going on and on about how owning shell companies allowed him to sell potentially defective helmets and potentially defective guns. But if he got sued, he was protected because he owned a shell company. And that's not what I want to bring into the world. That's not what I support. I felt really, really alienated by that. So that's that, oh, do this make money? Yeah, that's an equation, but that hurts. That hurts. For those of us who care and honestly, that mindset is threatening the very existence of human life, and a lot more on planet Earth, the whole like Exxon, hiding all its data about climate change. That by the way, is also not a healthy relationship with money if you are so scared of not making a certain number milestone that you're willing to risk life on earth that is not a place of abundance. So what I want and you You know, I tend to just channel as I speak, and I never ever, like script or plan what I'm going to say, but I do know what I want to teach. And I want to today teach how to get love, and your highest values and your most divine self, and money playing on the same team as partners, not adversaries. So that's, that's what I want to focus on.

Brandon Handley 5:34 Now, I love that. And you're right. It's so it's funny. We've gotten to a point now, I think, and you know, the money exchange being currency exchange being an energy exchange, where people can't even say the word money, right? Like I, I'm literally, what I'm doing today is working for money, bless you. And bless you. I think the third time is like you get a wish. Granted, it's the the CIO, is interesting for a minute, because people came to say, you know, I want to work for money says like, oh, well, you know, we're gonna, there's going to be an energy exchange, meaning there's going to be money exchanged, but like, not being comfortable enough to just say, I charge $5. Now, right? And so being able to get that to the point where you say, money is spiritual, and it's not necessarily just a material thing. So I sounds like that's kind of what we get to, or at least get them all on the same plane if it what's your approach there?

Morgana Rae 6:39 Well, money, I think really highlights or magnifies what's already there. And where I started kind of my origin story on this path of working with money as a pain door to spiritual growth and personal development, and also clients making a lot of money is that I had such shame and guilt about charging to help people, I really felt like I was taking their money and that was harming them. And that was a bad thing when I really was here to help. And lo and behold, I became really, really good at not making money like, like Olympic medal caliber ability to repel money from people who wanted to hire me. And at my lowest point, I was living in Los Angeles, one of the most expensive cities in the world, a million dollars will buy you a teardown. And I was making $100 a month with half a dozen coaching certifications, a bunch of celebrity clients, mountains of testimonials really, really dialed in marketing and the website and the brochure and the business cards and the tagline and l o ads, and the vision boards and the affirmations, and the local la healers who kind of wave their hands and change your money, DNA and all of it. None of it worked for me. None of it worked for me. I had to get to the secret reason that I was repelling money what was inside of me that was pushing it away intentionally, completely unconsciously. Consciously, I was going to those awful networking meetings and and getting more and more certifications and just taking more and more classes on sales and this and that. And I took a class on overcoming sales objections and I'm like a super good students. So seven people let me get my fingers right seven people in a row. I overcame their objections, which means that they said I can't afford it, or I don't have time. But I really want to there are these like words that you say and I overcame their objections, and I kid you not. Those same seven people did not show up and did not pay. And I sitting here now, I actually don't believe in overcoming people's objections. So I believe in letting people make a decision for themselves. They know what is right for them better than I you know, it's not my decision to make what they can afford and what they can't afford. And I don't like manipulating people I actually tried to talk people out of hiring me and see if they jump over that and convince me then we have a client but that's, that's today. So back there. I hit a really just deep moment of despair. I you know, when I got that seven to no show, that was when I completely ran out of hope. Like I was doing all the metaphysical stuff. I was doing all the practical stuff, and I've been doing it for a long time. And I want to make a point here that if you ever find yourself doing everything you're supposed to be doing, taking everybody's classes real Applying it doing everything you're told to do, and do this. And you do this nears, you keep doing everything you're supposed to be doing and you aren't getting the results that you desire and deserve. It is my opinion based on my own experience and coaching 1000s of clients that you are probably unconsciously protecting us yourself from what you're pursuing. And you're not crazy, you're not a failure, when we dig deep, you will find that you have really, really good reasons, good solid reasons to protect yourself. And we need to make what you want safe. It has to be safe. And it has to align with your values or you will always be like running into a brick wall. And just driving yourself crazy. But it's amazing how quickly and dramatically things change. When what you want become safe. By the way, I just, you know, listening to like, share my bio is always you know, kind of a meta experience to hear somebody, you know, describe you and I had a client a week ago, Friday call me up who went on my very intense spiritual tiny, one week money goddess retreat that I keep to like three to six, sometimes eight women, so that I can coach everybody individually really deeply. And I coached her in September. And she called me a week and a half ago to tell me that she made $1.2 million

between September and

Brandon Handley 11:44 that's women only, like that's how the guys can jump in. Yeah,

Morgana Rae 11:47 everything else I do has guys, that's just the one thing. But so that was like between the end of September and mid February. So I'm not even going to count how many months I think it's like it's not many, a couple million dollars, not a lot. And by and she is a spiritual teacher. So it can be Hi, Mike, I have like a raw food coach multi seven figures, like I get really weird, brilliant people. Even even the like, even the sciency ones, the big the big data lady is also into magic. And there's a data analyst in Australia who talks to dead people. So that's that that's my crowd. Okay, so I'm in this really dark, horrible place, just I don't even want to live anymore because it feel and I'm rushing through this really quickly because I want to get to content and teaching. But when you know what you're here to do, finally, right, and you have this gift, especially if you're a healer or an artist, and you have this gift that has to come out. And you can't make a living at it. It feels like you're being rejected by the universe itself. And it feels cruel, because you're doing everything you were told to do, and you aren't getting it and it feels sadistic and mean, and it's like I don't even want to play. And that's where I was. And I'm speaking to any of you who know what that's like, now, Pastor center?

Brandon Handley 13:21 I'll tell you no, it's like, right. I mean, it's, you know, think my first round of coaching was like that. I'm like, wow, you know, I've got all the right things I'm doing. I'm doing all the right things, saying all the right things, Jones the right places and all this stuff, like, you know, and then you know, I guess it gets to a point where definitely a gift has to come out. And like you're saying like, well, universe is rejecting I know, I know, at that point, like I'm doing something wrong, if it doesn't feel like it's an alignment. And you know, the values aren't aligned, and you keep throwing up against the same thing. So what hasn't changed?

Morgana Rae 13:57 Yeah, there really wasn't anything left to change in my doing. And so I'm in this place where I can't afford anything. But I still have a coach can't afford rent, but I still have a coach, thank goodness. Because that's what changed my life. Very shortly after hitting this really horrible place, I think it was this the next day, because we're talking now a couple decades ago and every decade it gets a little fuzzier. I had a session with my coach, great guy who had been making suggestions really, really wonderful coach and I would do everything and nothing was shifting and we were like, didn't know why. And that day when I was in such a helpless, sad, angry, despairing place that inspired something in him to come out that just told total game changer. And he asked me this really weird question. He asked me if your money was a person who would your money be. And instantly, I saw exactly who my money was being. And it was this big, scary, dirty, violent biker dude who terrified me. Like, by the way, I always feel like I have to apologize to bikers at this moment. It's not you. It's this this one. Like, stole that the long sideburns and you know, the wife beater shirt and the tattoos, but there was something about him that was just really mean and dangerous that I couldn't be with. And I instantly saw myself at like a live event. So I could have my eye on him every moment hyper vigilant to create maximum distance between the two of us. And that was my lightbulb moment. Oh, my God, that's what I was doing. I was creating distance between money and myself as if money was going to kill me. Completely unconsciously. Because daily, I was taking all the actions I was supposed to take. A friend of mine says it's not your fault. It's your responsibility. Which is awesome. So there's no blame here. But because this relationship is your responsibility, you have the ability to respond and change it. Yay. So it was so clear to me in this moment that this biker, there was no way that I could have money in my life. If it was this guy, it just wasn't going to work. So I had to get rid of the biker, I had to get rid of what I now call the Money Monster. Which, by the way, has nothing to do with money. Like we can start with financial crimes and the experiences scarcity are people who exploit and do terrible things in the name of money or when you you know we can we can start with your own financial traumas are of your family or ancestors, we can start there. But that's not that's, that's just the door. That's just the beginning. What the reason money is such a painful subject, it's so taboo, like we can talk about sex, but we can't really talk about money and numbers. And there's so much shame and fear around it is because money represents really the deepest, deepest pains and challenges and vulnerabilities of being human. It represents love, are we loved? Does the universe love me? Am I wanted value am I valued? What is valued? What are my values? Its value? And bottom line safety? Like? Do I even get to exist? Am I treated like a human being can I eat? Can I get medical care? Do I have a right to exist? Is the world a safe loving place that values may or not, that is exactly what money represents. And so that's where you want to dig up the root cause of this Money Monster. So I have I didn't know that at the time, I had to kind of figure it out and reverse engineer it. So I could do this for other people later. I just happened to be in that horrible moment of experience, which made it very easy. So

Brandon Handley 18:34 yeah, I mean, you are in the ultimate survival mode, right? You're in the ultimate survival mode or your quote unquote, like rock bottom. And, you know, I always talk about the difference between, you know, the people that are at the rock bottom, they have nothing left to lose, or the guy won't go try this other thing, right? It's like the Janis Joplin song, nothing left to lose, right? And then you've got two healthy normals, right? Which are the people that that are that are there, okay, where they're at, but they're not okay, right. They don't want they don't want to change it. But like, it's sometimes it's easier to lose everything so that you can go for exactly what you want.

Morgana Rae 19:10 Well, I believe and I call my process alchemy, like, you know, so, law of attraction, fans take a deep and cleansing breath. You'll get to have your positive thinking in a little while, but right now, it's not going to help you. It'll keep you stuck. So what we want to create as maximum polarity alchemy is the transmutation of lead, lead in human experience into gold. And the first thing we have to do is separate them completely and focus only on the lead and it's like a slingshot and it creates a tension that catapults us where we want to go but first we have to go really, really deep into the lead into that experience that we don't want to have, because that's what motivates change. And when you're in neutral Reality I call it money mode. It's kind of you're stuck. Can we change? Yeah, but first we have to dig, we have to dig a lot deeper into your reason to need to change. So that is the, like, glorious, sacred opportunity of these these hard moments. And that's where I am, kind of take a different tack than the way Law of Attraction is taught. I'm not saying hi vibes only I'm saying, Let us you know, low vibes are part of life, they are sacred, they're useful, they actually have a tremendous power in them, if we use them, you've been through the experience, let's not waste it, don't come back another life and have to do it again. Let's get it now. And just milk it for everything, every every drop of wisdom and enlightenment, and empowerment and evolution that we can get from it. So you know, go deep, and then make it into this really human real monster that has no good, because this is what we're going to change. And it makes it more real when it's a person. We can talk about ideas for years and years and years, we can make lists of negative beliefs about money, so what but when we talk about relationship relationship is between people, even if that other person is your cat or your dog, you know, it's it's personal. There's there is back and forth, it has to feel that way for it to be real and relatable so that we can change it to have a real reference. So that's step two is making making the root cause the wounds anything that made you feel unsafe and loved unworthy things, maybe you're ashamed of maybe violence or accidents, especially things that illnesses especially things that don't look obviously like they have to do with money. I find that's really the best place to look. And then you then you imagine it's that that there is this person who is responsible for all of it. It just can't be your parents and it can't be you because in step number three, and this is what I developed since I went through my own shift first time decades ago, I found it more effective with clients that if instead number three, you obliterate you obliterate the beast, by any means necessary. So hello, Love and Light crowd. I know you're all vegans. With yoga mats, I know it. And I invite you to be as violent and overdramatic, and and thorough and complete in destroying the monster because at the end of the day, this monster will destroy you. There can only be one my mother loved Highlander. So there can only be one, there can only be one. Let's make that you. Yeah. So rid of it.

Brandon Handley 23:15 Yeah, real quick, just just just second, just pause as we go along for a second, as you're talking about, you know, creating this maximum polarity and going into the alchemy. I mean, there's a lot of energy stored and pent up energy in these areas. And you're talking about going to, right? And then you know, are you talking about transmuting that like you know, energy into into this right into the things

Morgana Rae 23:38 like the fire, it's like the fire in the alchemy lab. So our victim experience which I think you know, it's like I don't want to be there. But it's part of the human experience and if you've been there and I have been there then the you want to use it. And I in my experience, the victim experience tends to feel very heavy it's kind of got a heaviness a coldness of dampness if we're gonna get all like touchy feely about it. But what helps you rise up from that victim experience and set boundaries and say no, like Monty Python Thou shalt not pass? Is is that like that slain that flaming torch and we have all these beautiful spiritual archetypes we've got Durga in India, you've got St. Michael in the West, you know, just slaying ignorance. And we're only we're not killing anything that has a corporeal form. So you just want to embody that that like Kali, flare of ignorance. I also loved Shiva, I got my degree in religion, I was really into Indian religion so and just destroy this embodiment of everything that He does not get to move forward in your life, like everything that you do not want to allow in your life experience. You put that in the monster and you reject it in this very dramatic, like Lord of the Rings playing the orcs fashion. And that's the first half of the process.

Brandon Handley 25:24 I mean, sounds good, right? And definitely a bunch of terminology I certainly understand. Right. You know, so we're making we're making this monster and we're we're personifying it. Right? I think anytime we in stories, right, we personify, there's a need to personify so that we can are able to relate to a lot easier. And that's what you're doing when you create this Money Monster and personify it. So that, right,

Morgana Rae 25:51 and it makes it a lot more specific, and unique and personal to you. This is your monster. This is not some generic everybody's monster, this is yours. And this one is focused on you. So it's very personal. And the way to take your power back is is that third step of destroying the Money Monster. And then when the monster is gone, yay, there's a new situation. When I first got rid of my monster, yay, I really and and I had this experience of oh my god, there's this feeling of emptiness. Like, I've had this omnipresent monster Dude, my whole life around me that I never felt it, it's like you know, air, but when it's gone, you really notice, and nature abhors a vacuum. So I didn't know to destroy the monster then. And I was afraid it was going to come back. Or some like random Money Monster strolling down Sunset Boulevard was just going to get sucked into my vortex. So I needed to fill that spot. Immediately. Instantly, as soon as the monster is gone. Now we have a new problem slash opportunity, which is we need a new relationship. And it needs to be completely the polar opposite of what we had. Now the lucky thing is when you've slayed the monster, and you have slayed and obliterated and rejected everything that you do not want in your life experience, only one thing remains and that's love. Like that's it, that's all that is, is love and expressions and manifestations of love. So when I thought to myself, well, who could I have in my life that I would want so much that I'd be willing to have this relationship even if it's money because money has been very hurtful and scary in my life and I don't want to get into that kind of thing again. So I instantly luckily visualized in that moment just kind of showed up ready made. Who showed up with this tall dark handsome romantic young man carrying a bouquet of red flowers dressed in a tuxedo as if he wanted to take me out and he was very romantic and very loving and very in love with me and wanted to woo me which was is actually the character of this relationship is that it feels like love relationship love comes first before the cash and I have found over the course of coaching so many people that a lover dynamic usually is best best for a number of reasons on a spiritual level you're both equals your your honey this new relationship the money honey, you can you can break his or her or their heart you know, it's not rescue me money, you know, its partners, which is really healing and it kind of heals all those broken unloved bits inside of us. And because I also know that many of us have had really, you know, terrible sexual trauma, maybe a sexy money honey isn't the place to start. So the first rule is that this new relationship is really really safe. And that this person loves you. Loves you exactly as you are loves you more than anybody in the world. And this is somebody that you want to be with and have in your life as a partner because this person is worthy of your deepest love and admiration. shouldn't trust and it's just cool to be with someone nice, safe, you feel loved and you love back. That is step four, that is meeting your money, honey. So when I met mine, and I was aware of wow, this is so weird. This is like Money loves me, which is completely different than my lifetime experience and nothing that I expected. But he felt so vulnerable. And I could feel how much I had been breaking his heart for years by pushing him away. Like, I, I was the one hurting him. It's like, wow, I don't want to do that. So as you're not ill, it was actually me, I and this is really important. Unbeknownst to me, I've always been the gatekeeper. It's like, it's like

Judy Garland and Wizard of Oz with the red shoes, like, you always have the power. But you had to go through this experience this Initiation this portal to find it because it's part of your evolution. So when it became safe, then I had the power. So but I knew he wanted to stay with me. But here's the kicker is I had no experience and how to allow this money to stay with me the way he wanted to. So I asked, that is the greatest thing about having this hot, sweet, adorable loving fun money, honey, of the money per episode, an American imaginary person as I can ask and get an answer back. So I asked him what he needed. And that first time out, he said he needed me to love him and stop treating him like a monster. And I thought, well, that's fair. What does that look like? Sure. And so we talked about it, and we I made a commitment to him. So step five, is you have the conversation with your new relationship with money. And Step six is you take concrete, measurable action. And this is what I committed to him was that next time you brought me a gift, I would say thank you. And that would look like if somebody wanted to hire me, because that's generally how he was trying to give me gifts. I would say thank you by saying this is my fee without any shame. With that feeling of appreciation, as love, and I got to try it out really quickly, because four people called me the next day and hired me for double what I'd ever charged before. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 32:35 that's amazing. Would and it is right. It's kind of like that paradox, right? Where you're talking about having all that energy there, that Money Monster was kind of made me almost like a money bodyguard. Right? You know, you can look at it kind of any other way. But like now, she says she doesn't want any, you know, right. And then and then as soon as you know, you took a different different approach. And he said, you know, let them all in, you know, and, you know, but real quick, another one, you mentioned a couple concrete measurable actions, what, you know, and to me that, I think about, like, you know, numbers and timeframes and anything like that, but you said, You made him a promise, right? Something different. So what would be like another one or two concrete measurable actions? And we'll do that. Yeah.

Morgana Rae 33:22 So for me, it was all accidental. And so I'm a lot better with the people I coach, I was just sort of like, oh, this is, you know, Oh, it worked. And then, and then I had all these clients, and I wasn't marketing the money stuff at all, but they were human beings, which meant that money came up. Because money is honestly the number one excuse that we human beings give for everything we can't have, do or be. So that's why and that's the only reason that I focus on money in air quotes as my pain door because the work really isn't about money. But it is fun when people like Anna call and you know, tell me that they that she made the $1.2 million or Perry made they made over $12 million. The big numbers are you know, kind of stand out so concrete measurable action, this is fun. Because when you're asking your money, honey what he or she or they need from you or want from you or you know, just whatever that conversation is. The answer that comes back is typically very wise and impossible to execute. So it'll be love yourself. Or trust yourself. Or the worst. Relax. Never ever, ever tell a woman to relax That's, that's bonus. That's

Brandon Handley 35:02 yeah. It's funny how many times you hear it, but you still can't figure it out.

Morgana Rae 35:12 So very cool, good, aspirational ideas. And nobody can love themselves perfectly 24/7 For the rest of their lives, we want to have a win. Also, I believe that if you want physical, concrete, tangible, measurable change in your life, then you want to take some kind of concrete, physical, tangible, measurable action, because it's kind of pulling it out of the ether into the physical realm, energetically, and you are teaching yourself and the universe that something has changed, but you want to give some kind of physical representation as sort of the little nice bow on top for any active magic. So what I suggest is you just start brainstorming with your money, honey, you don't have to know what the answer is, because you've got your partner here. And if you're really tuned in, and this person really feels real and present and yummy, and you're excited, then it's going to be easier to get communication back. And for some people, you can just do it in your mind. Some people it's I have a client right now a guy you know, some people think I only coach women, but I also coach guys. He's very kinesthetic. He's very in his body. So writing works better for him. So you just like Neale Donald Walsch, you know, Brandon says that don't turn up money, honey, that you just write it out. However it is. But so what you're looking for as you just sort of spit out ideas is how your honey response in my experience, like it's, it can come out really quick and easy and fast and quiet. And sometimes it's so quick and quiet that I can pretend that I didn't hear the response. But you learn how to how to dialogue with your money, honey, and you learn how to recognize his or her response. So what you're looking for is the thing that really lights your money honey up and what is very, very common with clients is clients love to be like good students. So very often, the first thing that will come out is I'm going to make 30 sales calls a day and I can just I just want to like collapse and like dig a grave right in that moment. It just feels so heavy. Yeah, I mean, what's happening there they they're in there, they're using their conscious mind and they're doing what they think they should do. But if they run it by their money honey that's not turning their money honey on the money honey doesn't think that 30 phone calls a day is going to be fun unless the money honey does but so far, I haven't seen that yet.

Brandon Handley 38:20 It's funny though, too. Right? And sorry to interrupt, right because this is exactly the question and like I said when you said you know this measurable action that's exactly what I'm thinking Well, I gotta go 30 calls a day I gotta do this thing. I got to trudge and grind my way through it and my money on he's over there like keep going your mule

Morgana Rae 38:40 Yeah, but see that usually is more of a Money Monster Energy. So this is this is what is so fun about coaching and every human being being different. So I've might question that we might find out oh, that there's still some Money Monster left or maybe the money honey just doesn't like that. And we just we keep going. And so things it can be something obvious like do your taxes get that out of the way and my client will tell me oh my God doing my taxes felt like foreplay I'm like great but also sometimes it's something completely unrelated to money my client Katie curtain and this is public. It's you know, I've got I've got the she let me like record and sell the audio was actually on a public teleclass and then she became a private client afterwards. But so the first time we slayed her Money Monster, she had her money honey, her money honey, really lit up at the thought of her going skating in December, in Canada where it's really really cold, but that's what her money honey wanted. So she says She was going to do it. And then she didn't do it the first day, because she was so stressed about money. And there's so much to do. So she didn't do it. Day two, didn't go skating because she was so stressed about money and debt and all that all that she had to do, nothing happened. Day three, she went skating, she took her 10 year old little boy with her, they had this amazing time, this amazing heart connection, she came home, she got a phone call, and somebody gave her $10,000 without her even asking. And that was the beginning of the journey. Janet brockmeyer also very, very similar story, her money, honey wanted to go walking, but she's too busy trying to get clients for a week. Finally, she went walking, and she picked up two clients at more than she'd ever charged before. I have a client whose money honey wanted her to stay home and do laundry, and she got a phone call and a $20,000 client. So it can be about money, or it can be about something else. It can be self care, you know, is is very attractive to money, healthy boundaries, very attractive to money. Sometimes my money honey says, You know that thing you've been putting off? It's time to do it. Okay. Right.

Brandon Handley 41:12 Now, you know, you said Law of Attraction earlier. Right? And, you know, it feels similar in that some of these actions are in alignment with like, kind of what we really want to be doing, but we're letting money be the monster that it is and saying, Well, you can't do that right kind of thing. But in law of attraction, in some circles, right? It's like, do the thing that makes you feel good, just go do that and feel good? Or like,

Morgana Rae 41:42 yeah, go ahead. Sometimes. Back in 2007, I thought it'd be a really cool idea to go on a book tour. And by the way, at that time, my book might at that time, my publisher was OfficeMax. Like, now I've got a real book. And you know, Walmart carries it. But back in the day, my publisher of record was OfficeMax, sometimes Kinkos, the dependent on where I was. And I had booked a cross country book tour, where I was speaking at like, all these mystical bookstores up and down the west coast on the East Coast, a little bit in the middle and doing radio shows. And it was really, really cool. Until it was approaching. And then I didn't want to do it. All I could see was I was spending so much money on airfare and housing and rental cars with no guarantee of making a penny back. And I just didn't want to do it. And my money, honey said, you're going to do it because you said you're going to do it. And I did it. And honestly, I completely sold out my inventory. At my first speaking gig. It was, I think, some kind of like, conscious living speaking conference in San Francisco. And then the next day, out of the blue, I suddenly had a TV interview in Sacramento and I and I honestly made more money in that in those few weeks than I'd ever made before. But I had no I didn't know that I would. And it really came down to you don't know what's going to happen because that's life. Like, I never predict what's going to happen. Sometimes I can see something but most of the time, especially with sales, I don't predict that. But yeah, my money How do you said do it even though I didn't want to do it? That's integrity.

Brandon Handley 43:46 Yeah, I'm in with that. Right. Like, you know, the Four Agreements type of thing right sounds and you had to do what's your own integrity with but also sounds like sounds like Your Money Monster was showing up because you were starting to worry about like, you're starting to worry about you know, spending too much I'm doing all this and I know money honey, I said we'd go out again, but not right now. Now. I suppose you're taking for a nice steak dinner. But you know, what a mind in the pennies or whatever. And so it sounds like kind of like that's what showed up and but you went ahead and you listened. You got that guidance. And you know, it kind of opened up and it shows you that. Go with it. Like yeah, we don't know what's gonna happen. And that's what I love about sales too, right? Because they'll sales always like, we want linearity. Show us. The lines going up. You're like, well, how we'll do it.

Morgana Rae 44:38 Yeah, well, I love the way you put that because yes, sometimes you just have to decide. You have to decide who do I choose to be in relationship with. I did this teleconference back in 2007. And it was the first big one that I'd ever really done. And I had the speaking gig in Norway. I was single at the time, and I had As fantasy this is totally not related, but I have this fantasy that I go to Norway and get to say something like, Why yes, Hans, I'd love to see your long boat. So that yeah, that's how I was making business decisions anyway. So I have this big figs speaking virtual gig on a huge platform, and I was the best I've ever spoken up until that moment, right. I was like, really on and I was making, I was making an offer like a ridiculously underpriced offer. But it was stretchy for me at that time. And then no sales came in. And my shopping cart crashed. In retrospect, I think that probably so much was coming in at that time that it completely crashed, and I wasn't getting any orders. And I felt so betrayed. So betrayed by money, because I just spent the last 90 minutes talking about what a great person your money honey is, and how you have to be a great business. Or sorry, a great a great relationship partner. And, and then he did this to me, and I was cursing him out, like, so angry, so hurt. And what was even worse was it didn't upset him. He just thought it was funny. He was laughing. And, and, and he said, we'll turn it into an opportunity. And I'm like, oh, and he says you'll figure it out. And I had this instant moment of self awareness that cursing out my money, honey may not be the embodiment of being a good relationship partner right now. So you're

Brandon Handley 46:45 hanging out with Hans

Morgana Rae 46:46 Fu Fu so I like pulled up my big girl personal development panties and, and said, okay, okay, I'll look for the opportunity. But I want you to know, I'm really, really mad at you. And the next day, I got a phone call from the host of the class that I taught for this huge personal development company, who said, Oh, my God, that was amazing. I had never thought of money as a relationship, which is hysterical, because that is their signature product, its relationship with money, that whole company. And I'm, and she's saying, and I'm sharing the recording with everybody in our office. So I'm glad. That's wonderful. And like, my little antenna starts to perk up. I wonder if there's an opportunity here. So I tell her that, like, my shopping cart went down, and I'm pretending to have a sense of humor about it. And she goes, Oh, that's terrible. And I go, but can we do about it? What can we do about it? And she said, and she said, Well, I will just send out the replay to our audience of 500,000 people, would that be okay? And I thought, yeah. So it went out to 500,000 people. And my sales were far more than they would have been had all this drama and broken shopping cart nonsense, far more than it would have happened. Like, you know, just long term clients. Yeah, totally covered the trip and all that kind of stuff. And it was a really good learning moment for me. Sort of so you can actually have a fight and still be loved. You have to choose Are you going to have a relationship with your money honey, your Your Money Monster, you don't know what you're gonna get with your money, honey, but you do know what you're gonna get With Your Money Monster and you know, you don't want it. And things can turn out far, far better on the other side of what looks like a mess, right? So you just have to, you know, you just have to stay in relationship, like a real relationship, stay in communication, and keep putting love first.

Brandon Handley 49:07 What's it look like? I guess, to have that ongoing relationship, like I guess, you know, are you writing notes on the daily be like, hey, you know, money honk money, honey, you know, to hear what's going on, you know, do we send notes to each other? What's the ongoing communication process like?

Morgana Rae 49:29 It's gonna be different for everybody. I have a client named Athena who goes on God walks and she just has conversations with her money, honey out in nature, and it's been really supportive for her in first financial stuff. She went from being in mountains of debt and in a bad marriage with two small children just kind of making $100 here and there with psychic reading gigs to making 10s of 1000s of dollars a month in about five months. And then her Honey, honey said I don't want you to do that anymore. I want you to focus on music. So she's been on that other journey and her money honey has been there in terms of like getting married and her money honey has been there when one of her children tragically was killed. And she had to ID the body. And she said she couldn't have done it without our money, honey. So it's a it is a spiritual journey. She doesn't walk in what I do, what is my easiest way to like get the most value out of the relationship and stay connected daily is I have a practice of every day answering a bunch of questions that I created for myself. And some of that is in my book. What is not in the current iteration of the book, but I think I want to add it is I like to share what what are my challenges actually, there it is, in the book, I'm on a on a weekly a weekly thing, but I do a daily now, which is what is challenging need, what do I have? Do I have any negative thoughts is like the best way that by the way, my negative thoughts, it's almost like a turns my money honey on because it gives him you know, something to do. Right? He wants something to do. So if I, like come out with that, you know, saw I'm not good enough, I'm gonna fail at this. Nobody loves me. He'll respond usually first by laughing and tell it and then giving me whatever message like I need. And that's my favorite practice for staying in daily relationship is kind of flipping my own negative defaults. And then hearing my money, honey, it's sort of a trick or a hack for accessing your highest wisdom without all of your neurotic baggage attached. Now, it's also like if I making it this other person, then this beloved, right? And it's kind of flirty, right? You know, he's just he thinks that my insecurities are adorable, by the way. So this my husband's like, they are so similar.

Brandon Handley 52:22 I'm glad, I'm glad it's continued to work out. And definitely, it's definitely quite a bit in here that you've shared. There's plenty more on your website, you've got your books, podcast, plenty of other podcasts and audios. And what we'll share out some links at the end here. But is there anything else right in this moment that you'd like to share? If not, I've got just a little little bit that we do. And then and then we have to towards the end?

Morgana Rae 52:44 Oh, yeah, I have a really fun, non scary, easy quiz on my website, my money love quiz, that I encourage you to start there if you don't know where to begin. Because all it there's, you probably have figured out I'm I'm really not into the judgey Shamy thing. I believe we are all on the same journey, which is to a life that is focused completely on love, lifestyle and legacy. And the only purpose of for money to exist is to serve love, lifestyle, and legacy. And when it serves anything else, that's when problems happen. So we're all on the same path. And so this quiz just kind of it helps. It helps you identify where you're just really super strong rockin it, where you need support. And based on your responses, it lets me know what to send you. Like, instead of just giving everybody in the world the same gift. It's like, Oh, why don't you listen to this? Maybe this is where you need to go next. And so that's that's the quiz on the homepage.

Brandon Handley 53:59 Very cool. Now, thanks for sharing that. That will be beneficial. I love that you send out something that is actually not just like, hey, thanks for thanks for filling this out. Everybody gets one of these right? Says personalized little bit. These tend to degree that they're answered. So we'll definitely send people there. And if you've got just a couple moments here, then what I always liken this to this podcast, who's kind of like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody's tuning into the podcast, and they're like, I'm just looking for my next vehicle speed day, who am I gonna spend like, because, you know, I think you know, in the world of marketing to like the average time that somebody spends about 90 days like kind of listen to like certain podcasts before they move on or this day, right? So it's a speed date. And you're my spiritual bachelorette of the day. So spiritual Bachelorette number one. I think this one, this is a good question for you. Why is there poverty and suffering in the world? I think

Morgana Rae 55:02 people are fundamentally just as sentient beings. We're frightened. And because we're frightened, there is a tendency for some people to hoard. I don't think, you know, oligarchies with all these resources beyond whatever they need. They are very, very frightened people. It's it. And I think this is why we have poverty and suffering, because we have the resources, we have the technology. But there's a there's a very tribal, a very ancient wiring, in our belief system, that we have to be separate from others. And we have to have more than others. And it shows up in lots of different ways. You know, religious wars, racism, sexism, fear of otherness, fear that there won't be enough for us. And I think that's where it all comes from. And the solution is, it's so individual, it's systemic, yes, but all systems begin with individuals, is we have to work on ourselves first. And it always, always, always boils down to I am enough, when I am enough, it is possible for me to have enough. When I not enough, everything in the world is never going to be enough. And that's that's the real world work that needs to be done.

Brandon Handley 56:44 Nothing that's powerful. A couple of things now, right sounds like, you know, part of it's just like this, this heritage, right? It's it's been kind of handed and people just aren't breaking the chain, right? Be like, well, this works, especially if they're rich, right? Like, well, this worked before. And we all say rich, I'm gonna keep doing it. Right? Let's keep this Let's not break this chain. And then the other part, right? I am enough, are idea of things folks who earlier, right? The money equals our value, I don't see a bunch of money. So I must not be worth a whole lot type of thing. And really just kind of changing that other game, you're like, Well, you know what, actually, I don't need the money to show me my value. And as I begin to see my own value, understand that I'm enough, I began to see more money, right? It's kind of it works a little bit in the reverse. And then I think that we've been taught, that's been my experience anyways, right? And, you know, you talked about the vacuum, sometimes it's just like, as a bag up and somebody acts it up, and then that's great. Right? So that'll happen. And so it's pretty interesting to see that happen, especially when we when we talk about our worthiness and our value. And we we tend to relate that worthiness and value to how much am I doing? And how hard am I working? Right versus your enough, like, you don't have to like, you know, I don't know, sacrifice your all of who you are, to get what you want. So,

Morgana Rae 58:07 like the wealthiest state of being, is when you don't need to prove anything right.

Brandon Handley 58:13 Now, I love that. I love that one more here for you. Because I think that it relates to what you're saying. In you mentioned about people being frightened, right. So when they're frightened, you know, that to me would indicate that that's preventing them from living to their full potential, what else would be keeping people from living to their fullest potential?

Morgana Rae 58:34 Well, I actually I had this image when you were talking about being frightened, because like, one of my favorite topics is the connection of love and money. And one of the unintended consequences that I found of my work early on, which is my favorites, is that when people heal their relationship with money, their love lives get better. So women, when we're frightened, we become really like hard and protective and masculine and we have our armor up and we're like, we want this that that and we're not going to settle for anything less and we're like, and gods are like, Oh my God. And men when they slay their monster what is so beautiful is like, you can see it in their shoulders. They're like this and and, and they they become the heroes they've always wanted to be. And so while women when they when they need their money, honey, they may be like, Oh, I can finally finally relax. Now it's safe. I can just wrap myself in my money honey arms and, and be supported now in this moment. And for the man it's like their money, honey. It's like you slay the monster for me. You're my hero. And he's like, Yeah, I am. And so he becomes really attractive not just to money, but to romance. And the same for women. And that that is, I think, my happiest favorite effect of the work because it really ultimately, is. It all boils down to our relationship with life. Are we safe? Are we wanted are we loved?

Brandon Handley 1:00:17 Awesome, we're gonna thank you so much for coming on today. Now I know we can send them to take the quiz, folks, where should we send them to connect with you?

Morgana Rae 1:00:27 Morgana ray.com Just my name with a.com at the end that is the mother ship that has my video series that has the quiz that has my book that has hundreds of articles and videos and you know my programs and if you want to, like run off to Bali or Mexico with me for a week and become a money goddess, that's where you'll find it too.

Brandon Handley 1:00:50 Awesome. Thanks so much for being on.

Morgana Rae 1:00:53 My pleasure. Thank you for having me. I

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Brandon Handley 0:00 So there's a story about a farmer, and Africa. And he wants to go seek his fortune. He's really tired of feeding his sheep taking care of his sheep and wandering them around all over the place, and making sure that they're taken care of. He doesn't feel any type of gratitude, and he feels like everyone he talks to. They're finding diamonds, they're mining diamonds, and they're making their fortune. So one day, he decides, you know what, I want to sell my farm, I want to go and seek diamonds. Myself, I think that I think that I should be seeking diamonds, as well. And so he finds a buyer, he finds a buyer for his farm, finds a buyer for his farm. He's all happy he prepares himself gets his money provisions. And he heads out to seek his fortune. Years go by the farmer, He's happy. He's enjoying his life. And he keeps seeking his diamonds. He knows that one day he'll find them. The person who just bought the farm, He's happy. He's always wanted to be tending to sheep. And he's always wanted his own farm. They both have what they're looking for. And the farmer who has bought the farm, he's able to now sit and enjoy his life. Meanwhile, the farmer turned minor. He's out there seeking, he won't stop seeking, he continues to look everywhere he can in order to find these diamonds. Here years go by the farmer has been successful with his farm. He's had his herds. He's, he's enjoyed his life. He has enjoyed the farm that he bought. And he's enjoyed raising animals here in them and providing the community providing for the community. The Miner never quite found the mine that he was looking for. He never struck it rich, he never found the diamond field that he was looking for. And on this very same day, as the miner was passing away, leaving this earth, the new farmer, the farmer that I bought the property that had lived his life of serving his community. With the farm that he purchased, he stumbled across a rather odd looking rock and his stream next to his farm. A pens down he picks it up, because I wonder what this is. And he goes and he takes the rock takes it over to somebody who specializes in stone genealogists or whatever. And that guy's like, wow, you have found an amazing diamond. That's an amazing time and so on this very same day that the minor passes away. And he turned turns out that the farm that he had sold had been what he was seeking all this time turned out to be exactly what it was he'd been looking for his entire life. On the name of that story, it's a I think there's a real long book on that one name of it is called diamonds in the backyard, you've probably heard me talk about it before for I think about it offense. I think about it often. I want to take this camera a second here today. I'm literally how far away am I from my house? I have no idea how to get the camera here. Let me see if I can do it. So it turns out that we always hear without touch turn like that, right? We kind of always have what we're looking for, even though we don't know exactly what that is. Right? For me. I'm always like man, I would love to have a place to stream I'd love to have a river. I would love to have all these things.

I'd love to have a great yard where I can just you No, go take the kids and go play an open field health field. Even cooler is if I didn't have to take care of it. Right? If I had a gardener, right, and not even that, I think that's another one of the things that when you think about it, not even not even not even that. Because if I think I need to have a gardener, and if I think it's gonna be in a specific way, that's all that's the only way that I'll ever see it, because the only way they'll ever recognize it. Now. Here I am today, I just shared some pictures with you sitting over here, right next to the school river. I am alone as can be. And it's just absolutely gorgeous, beautiful day. And this is about two minutes from my house. Two minutes were renting, right two minutes from where we're renting, because we didn't want to buy right now. And within two minutes from where we're renting, there's this park right behind me, which you can't see because I'm behind the barrier, which nobody comes down here. I'm sitting on a riverbank. And at this park, there's a volleyball net, there's a wide open field, there's a pavilion, there's electricity, there's 5g, I'm right next to the river I'm in I've got exactly what I've always been looking for, except for I always thought that like it had to be done in a certain way. I've got x, I can use this river anytime I want to go fishing, do whatever I want. And so it brought to mind the story of diamonds, diamonds should get for hanging out by the water. It brought brought to mind that story of diamonds in your own backyard. Because there's a good chance that you want something that you've already got, there's a good chance that you feel like it has to be done in a certain way. Yet, in all honesty, whatever it is that you're actually looking for, already exists. And you've already got it. And you're striving so hard to get this thing that you've already got. But you never really recognized it right? How do you recognize the abundance of what you've already got? How do you recognize the fact of the truth of the matter that what you're looking for is already within the palms of your hands or beneath your feet, as it were, as I'm sitting here on the ground and got this third here. And I've got these birds, and it's just so beautiful and peaceful. Quiet. Like, unbelievable. So what are you looking for? Anything, maybe not everything that you're looking for, like, you know, sure I'd like some cool cars or something like that? And do I maybe I've already got them in some way that I'm just not thinking of but you know, maybe something a little less tangible. Again, like I've got this river, I've got this field, I've got these things, I've got these places that I've already been seeking continuously, but I've always had access to him. Why does it have to be I need onus, when I don't, hey, you never own it be? Why does owning it make a difference if you have access to it all times, and for what it's worth, is your taxpayer dollars. I mean, this is what I'm paying for it. I'm paying for somebody to keep this stuff up. I've got a gardener, I've got the things. So in a way, if I'm willing to look at it in that way. And if you're willing to look at it in a certain way, you've got a lot of the things that you've always been looking for. Except for you've got this and I've had this historically. And I'm not saying I don't anymore, got this certain way that we think that it has to happen. And if it doesn't happen that way, then then it's just not worth it. And I just don't want it that way. Why wouldn't want it that way? Why would I want it that way? For you, you either want it or you don't. And there's a willingness that you need to have to examine that. And this is I think, more of the idea of your life examined. Right. So examine your life, examine your wants, your needs, desires, and take a look around and see if see if out of all the things that you would like to have in your life. See if

you don't already have arms See if that's something you already have. And for me, that's a huge hit of spiritual dope. I'm gonna click this off. I'm gonna do some breath work here, shoot some more video and do some and I'll see if you can hear I don't know if you'd be able to hear me you probably can't hear it. Let's see if you put it on the microphone Cesar vibrates I got my tuning forks here right I'm gonna give myself a full on tune up today. And just enjoy this nature enjoy this piece and resonate with the fact and the truth that I've got already got what it is that I've been looking for.

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Brandon Handley 0:00 Hey, what is going on spiritual dope? I am I'm hesitating, it's really interesting to find that the podcasts I've recorded are taking me so long to put out. And it's funny, because it hasn't always been that way. And the reason, there's no real good reason, but I'd have to say that what I find interesting, I think that one of the reasons for this is I'm a little scared, a little fearful. I'm a little, it's not exactly what I wanted it to be. I'm sure that it will be enough. I knew that it will be enough. The thing is, and I think that you will find this so long, your own journey is not exactly what I wanted it to be. So I just don't want to take that step, which I know is just kind of BS, also, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, it's a lot of work to put it together. And I'm just curious, you know, for myself, what, what kind of effort to I believe is necessary for all of this, to, to kind of have that right message set out to do the right thing. To be inspired to be driven to be motivated, but not to be zealous, overzealous, I would I guess, I would say it's a little bit of zeal is, is okay. But I thought that I would share that with you that, in all honesty, there are parts of me that are intimidated right now. Because I've let myself get in my own head. And I share that because anyone could be on that journey, you could be on your journey. And I share it because geez, what, four or five years now worth of podcasting. And here, here I'm finding a little bit of fear along the journey simply because I pause for a moment, simply because I don't want to let who down? Right, in reality is I feel like I'm letting myself down a little bit. Because again, it's not exactly where I would have liked to have been, specifically right now with this podcast. And, you know, as I'm saying it out loud right now, I'm also reminded of, you know, here's where you are now. And, you know, five years ago, or, or whatever, at any point in time, you know, I'm right, exactly where I wish I had been, could be. And of course, now we find ourselves where we wanted ourselves to be, and find that that isn't what we wanted. That's part of the journey, I suppose, part of part of the growth part of this efforting part of us being so you know, personally judgment, self critical, all that other jazz. And I'm also saying this to want to stop by. So it happens to be that I think then that within the next month or so is the two year anniversary of the podcast. So I'll begin at that point in time to release some it just so happens to coincide. And I'm going to actually set a date. Because that's those are some other things that happened. With our dreams with our realities with with all things if we don't set a date, if we don't put something in mind. It doesn't matter how long it takes to get there. And sometimes that's okay. I'm not saying that that's not okay. But we we lose some type of drive, we lose some type of something, we lose the momentum. And I'm reminded of the late great Zig Ziglar. And I'm not sure where he got this from I'm sure he got this from someone himself. We lose the intent. It's it's called the law of diminishing intent. You know, we have this intention, we have this desire. And when we first feel it, that's when you strike while the iron is hot. That's where that comes from. You strike while the iron is hot, you strike while you're hot. It's true, you know, then because you've got that passion and everything going on with it. And the law of diminishing intent, says that, you know, over time, you're going to lose the intention to do XYZ. So that's all me a little bit there, right? I

I interrupted myself, I slowed down that intent. purposely let go of some of the momentum. And that was done to create and do a format, to deviate from what I had been doing to do what I believe, to be an improvement over what I've already been doing and in, in the desire to make it more palatable to you. The listener was to put this into some type of packaging, some type of easy to consume recognizable thing. And the funny thing about that is, is that I've got another listener, she reached out to me after going through a fair amount of the catalog. And she said, Well, did you did you create these? No, what she said, she said, this is interesting, because I was able to go through and listen to all these and each person had a different perspective, a similar story, and they were able to kind of share it out. Because was it your intent? To do it that way? So that, that was varied, but similar, so that there were these multiple stories that resonated over time with with the listener? And I said, Yeah, you know, that was that was exactly, that was exactly. And so it was really cool that that intention came through. And it's my hope that this next, this next bit comes through the intention to put like a stamp, as it were, on some of these next ones, categorize them a little bit more better. So that there is a point driven point a message, something we're trying to pull out of it right. When this next section of the podcasts has certain overtones, the first I'm thinking right now, I think the first one I'm just gonna do, I'm gonna lead with kind of what started these podcasts. And that was the the idea that, you prosperity, through spirituality. So there'll be a little stamp there. There's a, you know, four episodes, three or four episodes that we talk about prosperity through spirituality. There's going to be some episodes when we talk about energy work, breathwork, and spirituality, how do these kind of what are the intersection integration points of these things? And how can you harness them? In your story? How can you? If that's, and those are the things that are of interest to you along your journey? How do they play a part? And so be able to put those into sections so that the listener, you are able to go through and say, You know what, I've always been drawn to the breathwork side of things. How does this you know, how does this play a role in spirituality? We're gonna do psychedelics, how does that play a role in spirituality? Are they necessary? You know, what are some of the benefits? What are some of the not so great? And that? So as we come along, I think yeah, June 18. Is is the quote unquote, official date. Of of, of this. So look, look, the week of June 18. I'm also going to switch out the dates from putting these out on Sundays, and then the middle week, which will also make that challenging. That being said, I should have enough time, ladies and gentlemen, if I, if I play my cards, right to get some of these all finished up and posted and worked on, which I've actually been doing on in small batches, only to find myself frustrated, because some of them, you know, their challenges. There's some challenges with echoes, there's some challenges with just

echo is really as the primary one or you gotta go through and find where maybe somebody dropped off because of a bad connection. Where does that fit back in. So there's a fair amount of effort that does go into these. As much as we'd like to get them all with one shot right from the beginning. We do have to do some editing, we do have to do some cut and paste. We do have to get creative. I think the funny one for me on in this process is yeah, there's an echo. But the good thing is that there's an echo the entire way through so I'm able to use one feed out of two feeds to create the entire podcast. I'm really curious how that's gonna end up coming out after I filter it and edit it and get it all through There were challenges like the videos didn't didn't, you know that video is not going to sync up. So not to cut that out there were challenges for some reason is technically adept as I am, I couldn't figure out getting my video to come on. So it's like, what the hell. But these are some of the challenges. And these are some of the areas also of opportunity to grow to try to understand to see where you are, this is, this is for me, this is a full on full growth thing for me to see where I am and all the process but I thought that I would share with you that you're mildly intimidated, right? I was like, what's what's the hesitation here. And at first glance, it looks like there's some fear and trepidation on my side. So you're not alone in whatever it is that you're facing. Regardless of whether you're new just getting started. Also like to share with you that this will pop up as it is for me throughout the things that you're going through. And as much as I love this, there's, there's a law here and there where it's like, Okay, what's the value? Where am I doing? And I'm gonna get going now is I have gotten caught in the storm. I'll actually let the storm play a little bit. I've actually purposely put myself in the storm just waiting for a moment for it to pass over me as my own little practice of symbolism driving into the storm so that I can hear the cacophony, the melody that's offered in it, and know that just like all other things, this too shall pass.

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Brandon Handley 0:00 Ready? What do you think of that guys? That's the st. Seybold, meditation, Tibetan, Pan beaten brass and bowl that I got for Christmas, everybody Christmas. Finally, just figured that, since I'm into the energy work, the sound were meditation, I guess I'm a kind of an easy target. Now as I look over there, and I see that I've also got a bunch of crystals with a tuning fork too, that I can charge up. It's cool stuff, definitely enjoy it. But I always want to think about hitting that Tibetan singing bowl as we get going here. So wanted to catch up. As always listen, you know, there's a lot going on. I think that sometimes you see somebody and you see what they've been up to. And then next time you see them. Like something happened, maybe maybe you and I speak and and you already know that into this breath workspace. And then next time you talk to me, I tell you, hey, this thing happened. That I want it to happen. And it seems linear. Because when we tell these linear stories, or we tell stories, they kind of have to be time bound and linear. And it's not always that's not, that's how it looks on the outside. That's how it looks on the outside. So when we when we talk about this story, I want to share what's happened with me recently. And this is in relation to kind of stepping out beyond my comfort zone. And doing something I wish I could say was scared, I don't know that I was scared. Or you know that it was beyond my comfort zone. And I was concerned, it was beyond my comfort zone in the fact that it was something that I hadn't done before. Right. So I want to do this breath work and I want to reach out to people and I want to I want to have some impact. Meg and I have been talking and you certainly love to make money, doing the breath work paid money to do the course still paying paid for the course. But a big part of doing it is to do some give back to the community how can I actually serve others? And you know, make have an impact? Because I think that we want to be successful for sure. But how can we have a life of significance How can we impact others and in such a positive way that they are moved to be I hate saying their best selves, I don't want anybody there already that that best self art is kind of their as you may or may not know, vegan, I got an argument once upon a time. And she's just says, you know, you just see people for their potential, not as they are and 100% correct in that. And while it's not necessarily an insult, but the thing, the thing is, is like to see them as great as they are in the place that they are right now and recognize and reflect that to them versus Oh, you're wasting your potential kind of thing. And oh, here's, here's who you could be. And I think that was that was what she meant by that. I was breaking up with her. So So my thing is, is that I was what do I do next with this breath work? And how do I you know, and I'm not even thinking about this significant thing so much as I'm thinking about how can I give to the community? How can I do something without expectation? How can it be con anyways? A an idea that had been brewing in my mind for quite some time, and I hadn't taken any action on it. And the idea had been, what if I offer some of this breathwork these breathwork services to a recovery facility for people who are going through recovery, I reached out to my friend Dave, and I, you know, kind of ping ping the idea off of him. Said, Hey, I'm thinking about reaching out to these guys. Is this a good idea? Is this a fit? He's got 25 years of recovery and is active in AAA. So I said, Hey, and he's absolutely, absolutely 100% It's a fit.

So, look, I don't have a card. I don't have an agenda. I don't have a pamphlet. I don't have a presentation. But I know this is something that can help others. I know that this is something that I can do. For someone who's going through the recovery process. Teach them not just the breath work tools, but the whole all these things that the transformational coaching and do this for people because when when they're and I've been in this space before I've gone into rehab Gee, I went into rehab and I was like 19, I've definitely gone through the process of, of quitting, quit drinking, what, five years ago, and I haven't had a drink. And it's not, it's not always easy without some of these tools to leverage. I would be hard pressed it would be, it'd be a real challenge for me. Sometimes I break. Sometimes I say to myself, Man, I told Mac, I said, I've said I've had like, you know what, sometimes it's just be easier. If I could just go grab a drink, say fuck it. And, you know, so much easier, right? But is that I, I don't do that. I rely on some of these tools. I do the breath work, I do the meditation, I go read I go exercise. I do the jujitsu and I stick to that there I say the plan. And I err, quote the plan. But these are the things if I continue to do that, then I wake up the next day, and I still respect myself for not, and I look, if you drink you drink, I don't care. But this is something this is for me. So I don't I don't have this. I don't have this kind of plan. Right to to share with the recovery center. But I do know what it's like to use these tools, and go through the process and use these tools to replace the drinking. To replace the we'll call it the addiction. And so I reached out, I don't want to call, right and here's the deal, nothing, nothing may come of this, right? It's simply I just want to go and do this because I'm so tired of living this life of what if so tired of, well, I can send an email and considering an email and effort. Right? Is an email an actual effort? I don't I don't think so. Personally, again, personally. But, and not being attached to results, right. So I all I know is that whatever is happening feels right. And you know, when I say feels right, and I used to I use the terminology of follow your bliss, and some people that call or you got to watch it when you say follow your bliss. I don't mean going out and getting high and getting fucked up and going and having sex with everybody, anybody you whatever, that's not bliss. Okay, that's I don't know what I don't know, what are they? hedonism, right? Yeah, there's a fine line, I think between like following your bliss, which is what fuels right in your heart. versus less go get fucking on that kid in the corner of fucked up and I want as long as it's a different story, right? It's a different, different space. So I'm feeling I'm feeling I'm feeling like this is my bliss, I'm feeling like this is, you know, this is the call get get in and go do this thing. No call to. To to the group of people. It's raining, it's crappy out, I'm going to a city that is one of the highest murder murders per violent crimes per square mile or whatever. And I just get in the car and I go, it's an hour away from home. And I have no idea what the outcome is going to be all I know is I've got this feeling. And it's something that I feel like I should be done. So I get in the car, I drive down there. And the whole time I'm like, you know, expecting to speak to kind of like the house manager or a person and just go in there and say, Hey, not sure if you guys are using breathwork as part of the recovery system, some of the tools for your guys in here and gals. And if you're not Would you be open to it and just kind of list off a few of the benefits and you know, have a conversation

and offer it free of charge. Because this is an opportunity to give to some people that have gone through some shit, man if you've never faced an addiction or had an addiction or had let go of something that was your crutch was your thing. Oh, and for a lot of these people. That's the entire lifestyle. That's it. That's all that's happening in their lives. So you take that away, you take away their identity, you take away their friends, you set them on this path that they're so uncertain of. Scary, scary. So I find the place. And, you know, I'm wearing flip flops somewhere in my standard standard gear. And I walk up to the door, ask if I got the right place. Okay, you got the right place to sit? Well, you know, is there somebody like our front desk? Or is there somebody I can talk to? They're like, wow, the owner, she was like, wow, that's even better. Right? Awesome. And I go in, and I meet the owner, super just like super cool guy. Very grateful presence is like super, he's super present, looking me in the eye the whole time. And, you know, even though he jumps right up to is in the middle of like another meeting. And I just say, Hey, man, I love your story. I love what it is that you're doing here. You know, I've gone through and fought my own demons in the past. And I just got a it's got to wonder it's funny, because I threw the question out there. I was like, Hey, man, you ever, like drive an hour just to go ask somebody a question. And I did. So that if you ever drive an hour, or just ask somebody a question, and he's like, Nah, man. I don't know about that. And so I said, you know, look, I'm just curious if you're familiar with breath work, and is that I didn't need to say finished, finished. Same breath work he has I totally use it. We don't do that here. And I was like, Yeah, well, that's why I'm here. I said, Would you be open to certified breathwork, practitioner and trainer? And I feel like there's a ton of benefits. He's like, Yeah, absolutely. I said, I'd love to come in and do this for your group. He's like, absolutely absolute. And he's like, Hey, Sam, thanks for coming down. And thanks for being here. How do we how do we even do this? He's like, Do you got a car? I only have a card. Right? And so he puts me in contact with the guy that runs the house, reach out to him long story longer. And he's like, Well, let me talk to the guys. We got a house meeting. And let me talk to them. And we'll see. We'll see if anybody's open to it. And I'm nervous, man, I'm like, oh, man, geez, you know, maybe, maybe nobody's gonna know, he didn't even know what breathwork was, you know, the house manager didn't tell me more about it. So I did. Tell him like, kind of all the benefits, how you get calm, how you get clarity, how you can, you know, pretty much calm yourself down and, you know, strengthen your core, you know, core self and get in touch. Be mindful. All these things? And he's like, alright, yeah, let me let me talk to the group, send me some stuff, some some links, talking about it some some links about how effective this practices for people in recovery as well. And I said, Well, you know, here you go. I'll follow up with you on Wednesday. And so I follow up with them, I fully expect him to just like kind of, you know, I'm nervous, right? I'm nervous the whole time. I'm just, I guess, anxious, anxious, uncertain, right? I'm just, you know, it's out of my hands. At that point, right. I'm just, it's out of my hands. I've done what I could do. And I'm sitting to think of myself, I'm like, Wow, maybe I should have done a little bit more to prepare and get that situation under, into a better place. present more materials, yada, yada. But in all turns out, that it's a go, and they're open to me coming down and presenting breathwork and working these guys through a session. And I want to be able to give these guys and gals, whoever whoever's in attendance, want to make sure they have the tools and give them these tools that they can use to go through their recovery. And I'm sharing this story not because not only because it's so I'm so excited about it, I'm thrilled to be able to do this in person, with some people that are men, if you're in recovery, you're going through this you are you headed in a whole new direction, right? Who you been isn't always who you're gonna be. And I think that's true for everybody, but nobody more so than people in recovery, because who they've been, has been, again that core identity that core to them for such a long period of time.

That now they have to start start all over again. And hopefully this you know, it makes them stronger, you know, how do we present to to these guys, and give them those tools, but you know, so I get the opportunity to do all this. And again sharing this because even if you and I just talked and I said hey, you know, I started breathwork training and tomorrow I get to go to To teach it to people, the stuff in the middle. It's not linear, like I had no idea and the way that I was feeling I felt actually feels again, feeling the bliss feeling like I should just pick up and drive and go and just follow it. Like mags, like why shouldn't you call first as a cop, I'm just gonna go drive down there, no idea how it's gonna go. But I know, in my heart that if I go down there, and I get the opportunity to talk to somebody and have a one on one face to face, and just be honest, about my intention, chances are that much, much greater. I think because then you truly get to establish a connection, and I am doing it without. Without, there's a desired outcome, but I'm not attached to it, right. So if I go when I feel it, and the thing the other part of it was, like, even the reception of it felt like it was so it was received so well. And graciously, that I know that there's a need for this, and I can reach out to others now, just kind of that gave me the confidence to to consider reaching out to others. At any rate, you know, not linear, in that it can, it can happen. You know, it looks like a straight line on the outside the sort of straight line, but there's so many other things going on so many other variables that are in, you know, kind of my energy field that are happening in the universe that have to happen outside of me, in order for that to coincide. The owners like you know what, normally I'm, I'm never here, I just happen to be here. And I was like, wow, because like I just literally happen to hop in the car and go so look, whatever it is, your heart's calling, and you're feeling called to do I think that, you know, step into it, right. And don't expect linearity. Don't be thinking if you're feeling attached to the outcome, there's gonna be some fear and trepidation to do it. But do it knowing that you're coming from your own heart and from your own space and with grace and love and caring, and I think that in the end is gonna work out better than you ever could have possibly imagined.

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