Can Humanity have a better future, as a treat? Today we are talking with Hannah McGregor about the special place Star Trek occupies in the sci-fi genre, and what we can learn from it. Also featuring conversation about Doctor Who, Octavia Butler, and a host of book recommendations! 

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Here are Hannah’s hopepunk book recommendations:

The Murderbot Diaries by Martha Wells

The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet by Becky Chambers

Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie

A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine

A Deadly Education by Naomi Novik 

Love After the End edited by Joshua Whitehead 

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