In this episode, I  sit down with Dr. Alison Fragale, organizational behavior expert at UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School and author of Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve. 

We dive deep into why status isn't just about ego—it's actually a fundamental human need that directly impacts your mental health and professional success. Alison breaks down her formula for being both assertive and warm, explaining how resources follow respect in the workplace and why most of us are playing "introduction dodgeball" instead of building meaningful connections.

00:00 Introduction to the Likable Badass

03:06 The Impact of Writing a Book

05:55 Navigating Social Dynamics in School

09:11 The Introduction Dodgeball Experience

11:50 Experiencing Disrespect and Mid-Career Invisibility

15:06 Sharing and Building Status

17:45 The Influence of McKinsey on Career Choices

20:59 Gender Dynamics and Professional Identity

24:02 Finding and Using Your Voice

26:52 Key Takeaways and Conclusion

We explore how her time at McKinsey shaped her understanding of power dynamics, the difference between having power (controlling resources) and having status (earning respect), and why those throwaway moments like "How are you?" are actually goldmines for relationship building. Alison shares personal stories about her need to always be "correct," her unexpected expertise in cheese boards, and how Golden Girls wisdom applies to leadership. 

As coffee-loving introverts who appreciate both Christmas music and strategic thinking, we discuss the art of making "small deposits" into professional relationships without burning yourself out through excessive kindness. This conversation is perfect for anyone who wants to command respect while staying approachable, understands that professional success requires both competence and connection, and believes you don't have to choose between being respected and being relatable.

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