One of the hardest parts of this pandemic is not being able to see or hug our older loved ones. Whether it's parents or grandparents, we have to be extra careful to not get these people in our lives sick, and staying away is really the easiest way to do that, even when it hurts.

Dr. Arthur Lavin has been in pediatric practice for more than 25 years. He has served on several national committees of the AAP, as president of the Northern Ohio Pediatrics Society, and continues his work in Cleveland, Ohio. 

He is on the show today to help us maintain relationships with our grandparents and older relatives during this ongoing pandemic.

He and Melanie talk about the best ways to stay in touch without visiting in person (including the old fashion phone call) and cultivating some optimism