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Dutch historian Rutger Bregman - the bloke who told billionaires to pay their bloody taxes at Davos and made Tucker Carlson have a meltdown on live TV - joins the pod to deliver a brutal reality check about political activism. He argues that making people "aware" of problems isn't enough anymore, and explains how punters can stop being political hobbyists and start building the kind of movements that actually change the world - even if it takes 75 years like it did for women's suffrage.

Moral Ambition: Rutger Bregman

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