Andrew and I talk goods and bads of having templated programs and cookie-cutter prescription in healthcare and exercise. We also have a pretty strong beer. Listen to us slowly go more and more down weird rabbit holes as we go. 

It finishes with Andrew completely losing the plot.

Topics: 

- Pros and cons of templated programs and why they exist 

- How to squeeze value in 

- Where the value is missed in healthcare 

- Where the real value is in healthcare 

- A very strong Grifter West Coast IPA 

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