*TIMESTAMPS BELOW*

What happens when a leading skeptic takes on the UFO conversation—live and unedited? In this 3-hour episode of the UAP Files Podcast, I speak with Susan Gerbic, founder of Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia, about UFOs, critical thinking, and how we can bridge the divide between believers and skeptics.

From spontaneous questions to unexpected birthday interruptions, this raw, unfiltered conversation goes where few UFO discussions dare to go.

Susan Gerbic is a leading voice in the world of online skepticism and digital activism. Known as the “Wikipediatrician,” she founded Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia, a global volunteer project that has edited hundreds of articles on science, perceived pseudoscience, and critical thinking.

Her work has earned her multiple awards, including the James Randi Award for Skepticism in the Public Interest and recognition as a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry.

I know I can’t win with this interview. Some will accuse me of being too soft on Susan, or not asking the right questions, while others will say I shouldn’t have given her a platform at all. But the UFO space has more than enough drama and reality TV–style conflict — I wanted to do something different. I wanted to show that people on “both sides” of this debate can have a constructive, mature conversation, raise genuine concerns, and maybe even find common ground if we step outside our echo chambers.

This was a very last-minute discussion. From the moment Susan agreed, we went live in under 30 minutes. We agreed there would be no edits (including the moment she stepped away mid-interview to answer the door for a birthday gift delivery). What you hear is exactly what happened, start to finish, all 3 hours.

**TIMESTAMPS**

00:01:40 - Introduction and Interview Purpose

00:04:09 - Greetings and Setup

00:08:00 - Introduction to Guerrilla Skeptics & Susan’s motivation

00:13:14 - How the Group Works and Trains

00:17:00 - Wikipedia pages deleted / Notability, and Comparisons

00:21:20 - Harald Malmgren & Chris Mellon

00:26:00 - How Susan and others edit Wikipedia pages

00:29:00 - Mr Blobby vs. Chris Mellon & Wikipedia’s influence on LLMs

00:31:19 - Wikipedia’s Influence, AI, and Cleanup

00:38:00 - Changing future history

00:41:31 - Writing Strong Leads and Citations

00:54:10 - Bias and Transparency Concerns

00:58:00 - Shaping narratives of prominent figures & adding negative slants

01:03:14 - Civility, Empathy, and Trolls

01:06:00 - Social media vitriol

01:11:15 - Mediums, Wellness, and perceived Exploitation

01:25:04 - Philip J. Corso Merge and Deletion Debates

01:36:17 - Secondary vs Primary Sources

01:49:04 - Lou Elizondo Page Journey

02:00:13 - Reader Responsibility

02:17:21 - Community Dynamics and Collaboration

02:30:00 - Chetsford UFO Wikipedia editing

02:44:35 - Matt Ford, The Good Trouble Show and Closing

LINKS

Susan’s X Account: https://x.com/SusanGerbicSusan’s Website: https://www.abouttimeproject.orgUAP Files Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uap_files/UAP Files Substack: https://uapf.substack.com/p/are-the-drones-over-new-jersey-and?r=3avcjySupport the

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