Chatter on Books turns 30! On this episode the gang (minus Michael) give some book club therapy to a men's book club. Then they welcome in their guest authors : Susan Swain and Brian Lamb to discuss the book the out together with C-Span and a host of historians, "The Presidents" which ranks all the Presidents (except for President Trump, since he is still in the middle of his term of office). Then they close things out with some book recommendations for expecting parents!