Where we sit down for a few metaphorical and metaphysical beers with the icon Suzanne Clothier, and talk about how we view - and qualify - our relationships and (training) interactions with animals.

Also, transactional relationships vs social relationships, how animal training certifying bodies might assess trainers without a quadrant emphasis, and Suzanne and Lauren tell us how they really feel about training captive cetaceans with positive reinforcement.

Suzanne Clothier's website:

https://suzanneclothier.com/

Mosquito in ASL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Gwz2AT79o

Pros and cons of marine mammals in captivity:

https://www.marinebio.org/creatures/marine-life-in-captivity-exploring-the-pros-and-cons/

Violet, doing her tick impression:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yqw_f26SvM

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