In this episode of the Hurdy Gurdy Travel Podcast, host Justin Vacula chats with James, host of the Churn and Burn Podcast, about maximizing travel using credit card points and miles. They discuss their origins in the points and miles hobby, favorite travels, spending strategies, and future card plans for 2025.

Justin also announces upcoming events and meetups, including ZorkFest 2025, and provides details on how listeners can support and follow the podcast. The episode offers valuable insights into leveraging credit card rewards for affordable travel.

00:00 Introduction to Low-Cost Travel with Points and Miles

01:14 Announcements and Upcoming Events

03:02 Interview with James from Churn and Burn Podcast

04:41 Getting Started with Points and Miles

08:04 Navigating Annual Fees and Card Benefits

15:06 Advanced Strategies and Card Recommendations

19:01 Overcoming Objections and Misconceptions

27:10 Personality Traits and Experiences in the Hobby

31:52 Navigating Gift Card Purchases

34:21 Travel Tales: Best Trips with Points and Miles

36:23 Upcoming Travel Plans for 2025

42:11 Credit Card Strategies for 2025

46:13 Gambling and Manufactured Spend Insights

53:23 Closing Thoughts and Future Events

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