Many of you may be surprised by our guest for this episode. David Frum is a proud conservative, having served in the George W. Bush administration as a speechwriter, where he is credited with coining the phrase “axis of evil.” He and I don’t agree on a lot of things.

But it turns out Donald Trump is the great uniter after all. Following on the success of his book Trumpocracy, David has just released his book Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy. It’s a powerful argument against Trumpism, and I hope you all will put politics aside and listen. He has interesting and important things to say.